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Gervon Dexter was an Eberflus pick, a Deforest Buckner type pass rushing 3-Tech. As a 6'6" 310lbs former basketball player that only did 22 reps on the combine bench press, he lacks the strength to anchor and get stops against the run.

The Bears were #28 against the run in the NFL allowing 4.8 yards per carry. Every team they faced "got off the bus running". As we all know, losing Billings to a torn pectoral muscle only magnified the problem.

So, what solutions should the Bears look for to fix the interior D-Line?
Should Dexter be moved to DE and hope he can develop into a Trey Hendrickson type?
Should the Bears find a big 330lb NT to play next to Dexter to help him play the run?

How would you fix the run defense heading into the off season??
 

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Edmunds, being a cover linebacker, doesn't help the run defense a hell of a lot either. He's 6'5" 250 of solid muscle yet plays rather soft. So it's not just Dexter. If Sanborn was playing in the middle then things would look a different, though they would against the pass a well.

Ideally you'd have a better DT though as well, someone who can both rush the passer and stop the run and then rotate Dexter in on passing downs and maybe kick him outside from time to time. He's also going into his third season and DTs can take a bit of time to develop.
 

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The Bears need a speed rusher and at least 2 more DTs with one being a run stopper. It is a shame Poles wasted a 3rd on Pickens. I sure hope Poles saw how Howie Roseman put together a winning formula by winning both wars in the trenches.
 

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The Bears need a speed rusher and at least 2 more DTs with one being a run stopper. It is a shame Poles wasted a 3rd on Pickens. I sure hope Poles saw how Howie Roseman put together a winning formula by winning both wars in the trenches.

Poles is a dimwit.
Hopefully Ben has more of the decision making power.
 

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I like Dexter a lot, but even though he has a similar body type to Deforest Buckner he doesnt have a similar skillset or playstyle. I'm going to sandwich his negatives between positives to avoid a pessimistic tone here.

Gervon is big, strong, fairly athletic, gives good effort and doesnt really take risks with his assignment. However, he's big but with only average length - hes not able to control bigger OL without them getting both hands on his pads and he can at times play too high which loses the leverage battle. He's also not a particularly good handfighter which would be a real helpful skill for him to develop.
He's strong but not particularly stout, he gets really good push on his bullrush but he does get moved in the rungame when linemen get inside him/on his pads or especially when facing duos and while he can stack linemen well he doesnt consistently shed them as well as he probably wants.
He's fairly athletic but not explosive, he can pursue runs laterally fairly well even with a stacked OG/OT in his hands but he rarely beats his man to his gap with speed. This is kind of compounded by his notorious issues with his first step/get off on the snap that he had coming in to the league.
He gives good consistent effort on most plays but doesnt really have a high motor, to me he seems like a guy you rarely see give poor effort but hes not someone flying around the field play after play.
He doesn't take risks with his assignments but this also comes at the cost of him often being reactive vs. proactive in his play - he clearly prefers to read and react to runs versus predicting and penetrating, I dont know if thats a football IQ thing or just someone who needs to "look before he leaps" before choosing how to play a given snap.

I think the above limits his ceiling as a traditional 3T. I do kind of suspect he may have been a better 4i or 5T in an odd front where some of his deficiencies would be less relevant or even hidden and his strengths would play more to what he is asked to do.
Still, he's been fairly productive DT with his pass rush, his bull rush is good and he has the savvy to take advantage of stunts and gains on the line to get sacks. I think he pushes the pocket very well, he really tests OLs anchor which is less useful when he goes up against Gs but is a PITA for OTs and Cs that get asked to handle him alone. I think the best thing the Bears can do at DT to help the run game is get a 2nd stout DT they can play next to Billings on 3rd &2/4th &1 - Byron Cowart is not that guy, and I dont think Dexter will develop into a good run stopper either. Still, the NFL does value DTs who are good pass rushers even if their talents against the run amount to being "just a guy." So dont throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to Gervon, but also grain of salt im a guy who wants the Bears to draft Walter Nolen in the first round for a true explosive gap penetrating DT.
 
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Both DT spots need depth… and I’d say we could use a nice upgrade at one of the two. I don’t care which, but a premium player is needed there. I want a DT with one of our first 3 picks this year. I don't think there's anything glaringly wrong with what we have, but they're just not special. Maybe Dexter gets there... I don't know, but he's not there. I'd also just sign Hargrave to rotate in or be used with Gervon in passing situations.

I realize none of this answers your question about the run game, but I don't totally blame the DTs for the run game. Dexter could be better... but him being better kind of goes back to my original point. Dexter being a better run stopper would put him at a premium player level. If we simply got a guy that's better against the run, you probably get worse at rushing the passer unless the guy is really special.
 

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I like Dexter a lot, but even though he has a similar body type to Deforest Buckner he doesnt have a similar skillset or playstyle. I'm going to sandwich his negatives between positives to avoid a pessimistic tone here.

Gervon is big, strong, fairly athletic, gives good effort and doesnt really take risks with his assignment. However, he's big but with only average length - hes not able to control bigger OL without them getting both hands on his pads and he can at times play too high which loses the leverage battle. He's also not a particularly good handfighter which would be a real helpful skill for him to develop.
He's strong but not particularly stout, he gets really good push on his bullrush but he does get moved in the rungame when linemen get inside him/on his pads or especially when facing duos and while he can stack linemen well he doesnt consistently shed them as well as he probably wants.
He's fairly athletic but not explosive, he can pursue runs laterally fairly well even with a stacked OG/OT in his hands but he rarely beats his man to his gap with speed. This is kind of compounded by his notorious issues with his first step/get off on the snap that he had coming in to the league.
He gives good consistent effort on most plays but doesnt really have a high motor, to me he seems like a guy you rarely see give poor effort but hes not someone flying around the field play after play.
He doesn't take risks with his assignments but this also comes at the cost of him often being reactive vs. proactive in his play - he clearly prefers to read and react to runs versus predicting and penetrating, I dont know if thats a football IQ thing or just someone who needs to "look before he leaps" before choosing how to play a given snap.

I think the above limits his ceiling as a traditional 3T. I do kind of suspect he may have been a better 4i or 5T in an odd front where some of his deficiencies would be less relevant or even hidden and his strengths would play more to what he is asked to do.
Still, he's been fairly productive DT with his pass rush, his bull rush is good and he has the savvy to take advantage of stunts and games on the line to get sacks. I think he pushes the pocket very well, he really tests OLs anchor which is less useful when he goes up against Gs but is a PITA for OTs and Cs that get asked to handle him alone. I think the best thing the Bears can do at DT to help the run game is get a 2nd stout DT they can play next to Billings on 3rd &2/4th &1 - Byron Cowart is not that guy, and I dont think Dexter will develop into a good run stopper either. Still, the NFL does value DTs who are good pass rushers even if their talents against the run amount to being "just a guy." So dont throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to Gervon, but also grain of salt im a guy who wants the Bears to draft Walter Nolen in the first round for a true explosive gap penetrating DT.
So are you saying move Dexter to DE and draft Nolen, or play them at the same time to maximize pass rush and then upgrade the LB/Safety's to improve the run defense?
 

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They were bad against the run because every edge opposite sweat was terrible and didnt keep contain

Billings and Dexter were not issues in 2023 against the run
This is not true at all. They were gashed up the middle a ton, especially after Billings went out. DTs were washed out repeatedly, linebackers couldn't run to the ball.

In 2023 Dexter played only 40% of the snaps and was bad against the run.
 

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Both DT spots need depth… and I’d say we could use a nice upgrade at one of the two. I don’t care which, but a premium player is needed there. I want a DT with one of our first 3 picks this year. I don't think there's anything glaringly wrong with what we have, but they're just not special. Maybe Dexter gets there... I don't know, but he's not there. I'd also just sign Hargrave to rotate in or be used with Gervon in passing situations.

I realize none of this answers your question about the run game, but I don't totally blame the DTs for the run game. Dexter could be better... but him being better kind of goes back to my original point. Dexter being a better run stopper would put him at a premium player level. If we simply got a guy that's better against the run, you probably get worse at rushing the passer unless the guy is really special.
Javon Hargrave isn't a free agent. He would cost SF $15m more to cut than to keep.
 

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So are you saying move Dexter to DE and draft Nolen, or play them at the same time to maximize pass rush and then upgrade the LB/Safety's to improve the run defense?
Dexters never going to be a 4-3 DE, but DTs rotate to the point where one guy only plays about 60% of the available snaps at his position. I think you could comfortably have a stable of Dexter-Nolen-Billings all playing "starter" loads but in more favorable situations to the players skillset- IE you keep Billings off the field on obvious passing downs and do your best to get Dexter off the field on obvious run downs.
 

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I think he is still developing. He is a starter in the league, but is a complementary piece not a star. A solid 3 with another outside threat could allow him to develop inside. He has potential, and has shown improvements each year.
 

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Yeah, only elite DTs should be playing 70%+ of snaps. And they need situational guys. Basically they should have two starter who play between 50-60% of snaps, a backup NT and a backup 3T who play 30-40% of snaps and then Walker and maybe Sweat com inside on some passing downs to make up the rest.
 

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Both DT spots need depth… and I’d say we could use a nice upgrade at one of the two. I don’t care which, but a premium player is needed there. I want a DT with one of our first 3 picks this year. I don't think there's anything glaringly wrong with what we have, but they're just not special. Maybe Dexter gets there... I don't know, but he's not there. I'd also just sign Hargrave to rotate in or be used with Gervon in passing situations.

I realize none of this answers your question about the run game, but I don't totally blame the DTs for the run game. Dexter could be better... but him being better kind of goes back to my original point. Dexter being a better run stopper would put him at a premium player level. If we simply got a guy that's better against the run, you probably get worse at rushing the passer unless the guy is really special.
I'd also like a rotation with Javon Hargrave added to the mix. He's not 330lb NT I was thinking but he is just as strong as Billings and together they could wreak havoc.

An upgrade from Byard and a guardian cap for Brisker would be a step in the right direction. Plus this is likely the last year for either Edwards or Edmunds, so perhaps look for an upgrade in the draft.
 

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Let him add weight and move him over. Get a 3-tech with better twitch and gap ability. That said, he's still be improving.. That he could play 2 spots and situationally only helps a rotation... which there wasn't enough of last year.
 

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dexter had a better pressure percentage on the season than jalen carter, but he has no twitch now.

Got it peoples! makes sense!

Most DT's dont become stars after 2 years, usually takes 3-4 years. We need another DT but dexter is the 3tech of the future and already a good player.

Get me a giant fat guy in the draft/fa like @DanielCCSBears and use demarcus walker as the other rotational 3tech
 

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