Dexter Dilemma

[Discus fish salesman]

I think poona Ford would be a nice addition in FA. Then in the draft in 2 and 3 I'd be looking at guys like the dt from toledo and Jordan Phillips out of Maryland. Cj west a little later is an interesting option as well. If they don't get any of them, then potentially a late round flyer on one of the Nebraska DTs or camron Jackson out of Florida

 

[msadows]

how about bj hill?

then we can be given multiple bj's in the offseason

 

[msadows]

I think poona Ford would be a nice addition in FA. Then in the draft in 2 and 3 I'd be looking at guys like the dt from toledo and Jordan Phillips out of Maryland. Cj west a little later is an interesting option as well. If they don't get any of them, then potentially a late round flyer on one of the Nebraska DTs or camron Jackson out of Florida

poon would be a great get to stop the run and exactly what they would need.

Im not sure they need another DT if they sign him, since walker likely is staying on the roster and would play backup to dexter. That would be a 4 man rotation.

Just get some edges who can actually contain. That was a major issue last year, even sweat didnt contain at times.

Some posters on here think we already need a replacement for dexter which is absurd. Dexter lawrence wasnt who he was after 2 years in the nfl.

 

[dennehy]

I think they could add a cheap add NT like Tedarell Slaton, just a clogger who can play early downs and not tax Billings. He was playing way too many snaps last year and I think that contributed to his injury. And they really fell apart after that.

Then target 3T with one of the first 4 picks. If they want to get splashy, they could go for Milton Williams or Odighizuwa from DAL, but those guys will cost.

With Hargrave, if he's let go, you'd have to wonder why SF would eat $15m (he's $9m against the cap with a $24m cap charge if cut) just to not have him on their team.

 

[Xplosive]

I think poona Ford would be a nice addition in FA. Then in the draft in 2 and 3 I'd be looking at guys like the dt from toledo and Jordan Phillips out of Maryland. Cj west a little later is an interesting option as well. If they don't get any of them, then potentially a late round flyer on one of the Nebraska DTs or camron Jackson out of Florida

I was considering a Jordan Phillips "sleeper" thread. That kid is a beast. Poona Ford would be a really smart pickup

 

[--CyBear--]

dexter had a better pressure percentage on the season than jalen carter, but he has no twitch now.

Got it peoples! makes sense!

Most DT's dont become stars after 2 years, usually takes 3-4 years. We need another DT but dexter is the 3tech of the future and already a good player.

Get me a giant fat guy in the draft/fa like @DanielCCSBears and use demarcus walker as the other rotational 3tech

I hope that's not directed at me because I never said that. Even said he could play both inside spots but he's never had special get off or hand use which you prefer in a 3- tech. That he can play the position well at that size is a tribute to his athleticism and work ethic but consider him next to a proto gap slitting 3 tech and the havoc the 2 could cause.

 

[msadows]

I hope that's not directed at me because I never said that. Even said he could play both inside spots but he's never had special get off or hand use which you prefer in a 3- tech. That he can play the position well at that size is a tribute to his athleticism and work ethic but consider him next to a proto penetrating 3 tech and the havoc the 2 could cause.

He was raw coming in and not asked to use a quick getoff in college. It has gradually improved over the last two years.

Again, the high majority of elite NFL DT's dont get there until year 3 or 4. Similar situation for many NFL offensive tackles.

Jalen Carter is a rare situation where you are elite from day 1.

Dexter was pretty much the only defensive player to improve this past year(him and gordon), so im very high on him considering the circumstances. Prior to billings getting hurt he was on a pro bowl pace.

 

[--CyBear--]

He was raw coming in and not asked to use a quick getoff in college. It has gradually improved over the last two years.

Again, the high majority of elite NFL DT's dont get there until year 3 or 4. Similar situation for many NFL offensive tackles.

Jalen Carter is a rare situation where you are elite from day 1.

And? I'm fully aware of all that. Show me where I degraded him without reading in again? Not once did I say he shouldn't play 3-tech and even said he can. The difference is that he can do more than that due to his size and strength so a guy with even more twitch and gap shooting ability next to him would be special.

 

[msadows]

And? I'm fully aware of all that. Show me where I degraded him without reading in again?

You said he had no quick twitch, it has improved yearly.

He certainly can have it, its difficult to change your playstyle overnight.

 

[dabears70]

They were bad against the run because every edge opposite sweat was terrible and didnt keep contain

Billings and Dexter were not issues in 2023 against the run

Maybe Billings wasn't so much but Dexter was absolutely a problem against the run. Stopping the run is more than just what the DT's do but they're obviously still the biggest part of stopping the run. You have to get contain on the edges and the LB's need to do their job as well but it starts with the inside of the DL.

 

[--CyBear--]

You said he had no quick twitch, it has improved yearly.

He certainly can have it, its difficult to change your playstyle overnight.

That's an outright lie. I said get a guy with even BETTER twitch and that he's still improving.

Please stop.

 

[dabears70]

Javon Hargrave isn't a free agent. He would cost SF $15m more to cut than to keep.

When will you guys jump on my train which has been the sign Milton Williams (Eagles 3T) train for a couple of months now?

 

[remydat]

They need a solid rotation. Eagles have Carter, Williams, David and Ojomo getting over 450 snaps each and all of them have grades of 70 or higher. The Super Bowl showed all of them can make plays as Jalen Carter was the worst graded at a laughable 29. It didnt matter because Williams had a 90.9 grade, Ojomo was 89.5 and Davis was 80.5.

If the Bears opt to keep Walker, they need to move him to DT full time IMO. Walker and Dexter can be more of the pass rush on the inside and then you need to add more of a run stopper with some pass rush potential to help out Billings. If you want to cut Walker then you need a 3T and more of a NT.

 

[msadows]

When will you guys jump on my train which has been the sign Milton Williams (Eagles 3T) train for a couple of months now?

That train just got a lot more expensive after the superbowl, so probably not.

PFF(I dont trust that trash) also says he's terrible against the run but an amazing pass rusher.

I havent seen enough eagles and watched this guy, but we def need an upgrade against the run.

 

[msadows]

They need a solid rotation. Eagles have Carter, Williams, David and Ojomo getting over 450 snaps each and all of them have grades of 70 or higher. The Super Bowl showed all of them can make plays as Jalen Carter was the worst graded at a laughable 29. It didnt matter because Williams had a 90.9 grade, Ojomo was 89.5 and Davis was 80.5.

If the Bears opt to keep Walker, they need to move him to DT full time IMO. Walker and Dexter can be more of the pass rush on the inside and then you need to add more of a run stopper with some pass rush potential to help out Billings. If you want to cut Walker then you need a 3T and more of a NT.

Hell yea PFF nerd into the convo

 

[remydat]

Hell yea PFF nerd into the convo

Balances out you being the angry drunk in the convo.

 

[msadows]

PFF also tells us the bears OL is good so no need to upgrade there

 

[msadows]

Balances out you being the angry drunk in the convo.

I'd rather base my football opinions on actual stats and using my eyes rather than pay someone to give me a fake grade

but you do you nerd

 

[dennehy]

I'd rather base my football opinions on actual stats and using my eyes rather than pay someone to give me a fake grade

but you do you nerd

Pressures are pretty much a made up PFF stat.

 

[dabears70]

poon would be a great get to stop the run and exactly what they would need.

Im not sure they need another DT if they sign him, since walker likely is staying on the roster and would play backup to dexter. That would be a 4 man rotation.

Just get some edges who can actually contain. That was a major issue last year, even sweat didnt contain at times.

Some posters on here think we already need a replacement for dexter which is absurd. Dexter lawrence wasnt who he was after 2 years in the nfl.

I haven't seen one poster say Dexter needs to be replaced. Have only seen people say we need another 3T to play with him.