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Nobody here is talking about James, Bryant, Wade, Howard, or Durant.
Nobody here is talking about James, Bryant, Wade, Howard, or Durant.
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I give this a 1% chance of actually happening & that's being generous. But you do this trade in a heartbeat if it means not giving up Rose, Noah, or Boozer. It may set us back depth wise a little this season, but adding a star player of Melo's caliber will put us in the championship conversation. But as I first stated, I think this is all a pipe dream that will never come to fruition.
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You just used 3 guys to beat 1 guy. I do not understand the argument? Brewer might be a better defender but I would say that he is not. Korver is a better 3 point shooter I will give you that but he cannot run an offense or defend. Deng is a SF so I will not even go there. The fact is is that Hinrich was one guy doing many things very well. He was like a Joakim Noah but in te backcourt. He played with heart and did all the little things right. Was his contract crazy? Yes, but he is better then Bogans, Brewer, and Korver.
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For this stat, did you include ever other overtime game?
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Lefty,
I guess there is no way to have a reasonable debate with you so I will not even try. All I was saying is that the Bulls are fine as they are and have plenty of scoring options once Boozer returns. I like keeping Taj so we have a good three man rotation down low. Melo is a upgrade for sure over Deng put the Small Forward position is not a position of need. Am I speaking slow enough for you? We need a better shooting guard at some point and a better back up point guard and that is it. This team will contend as constructed if healthy and after picking up a better SG. Perhaps Brewer will come into his own and solve that problem for us or maybe the Bulls will have to make a trade. I simply see no reason to give up 2 key players and 2 picks for a player that might not put you over the top or make you any better in the long run. The Bulls need to focus on needs and a better SF is not one of them. They just need minor adjustments at this point. We have yet to even see Boozer play a single game and yet you want to trade players away. That is crazy. Let us see what we have.
Also, Rose is a superstar and Boozer would have been an Allstar many times in the west had he not had to deal with alltime greats and future HOF players like Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, and Gasol. He has benn a top 5-6 PF for years. We have the star power and we just need a solid 7-8 man rotation and we do not have that due to lack of talent in the backcourt.
I hope i made myself clear, but after reading your last reply I am certain I will be hearing a bunch more crap from you.
I guess there is no way to have a reasonable debate with you so I will not even try. All I was saying is that the Bulls are fine as they are and have plenty of scoring options once Boozer returns. I like keeping Taj so we have a good three man rotation down low. Melo is a upgrade for sure over Deng put the Small Forward position is not a position of need. Am I speaking slow enough for you? We need a better shooting guard at some point and a better back up point guard and that is it. This team will contend as constructed if healthy and after picking up a better SG. Perhaps Brewer will come into his own and solve that problem for us or maybe the Bulls will have to make a trade. I simply see no reason to give up 2 key players and 2 picks for a player that might not put you over the top or make you any better in the long run. The Bulls need to focus on needs and a better SF is not one of them. They just need minor adjustments at this point. We have yet to even see Boozer play a single game and yet you want to trade players away. That is crazy. Let us see what we have.
Also, Rose is a superstar and Boozer would have been an Allstar many times in the west had he not had to deal with alltime greats and future HOF players like Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, and Gasol. He has benn a top 5-6 PF for years. We have the star power and we just need a solid 7-8 man rotation and we do not have that due to lack of talent in the backcourt.
I hope i made myself clear, but after reading your last reply I am certain I will be hearing a bunch more crap from you.
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Yep. Civil debate > a pissing contest.
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The problem with kirk was his contract. clearly he's better than watson, but not by much. He's got a little better court vision, and his shooting is only slightly better, but all in all i'm happy with watson's contract > kirk's contract.
i mentioned those 3 guys, because kirk can do a lot of things decently, but he can't do one thing very well. He's not big, nor athletic, nor is he a good defender. If you have a matchup that requires defense, throw in brewer. Hopefuly his hustle wont kill on you offense. Also the kirk hinrich special going 3 for 11 a night, i'm pretty sure brewer can do that if we really need him to. In fact i think bogans is probably the player on our roster most comparable to hinrich in terms of shooting and defense. Korver wont be posted up on the offensive end, and he's a damn good shooter. he's not very quick, and his handle isn't amazing, but i'd still rather have korver on our roster at the 2 than kirk simply because he does one thing really really well, shoot.
i mentioned those 3 guys, because kirk can do a lot of things decently, but he can't do one thing very well. He's not big, nor athletic, nor is he a good defender. If you have a matchup that requires defense, throw in brewer. Hopefuly his hustle wont kill on you offense. Also the kirk hinrich special going 3 for 11 a night, i'm pretty sure brewer can do that if we really need him to. In fact i think bogans is probably the player on our roster most comparable to hinrich in terms of shooting and defense. Korver wont be posted up on the offensive end, and he's a damn good shooter. he's not very quick, and his handle isn't amazing, but i'd still rather have korver on our roster at the 2 than kirk simply because he does one thing really really well, shoot.
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Yes, every team in the league was adjusted for scoring per minute per player on the floor, so no team's PP48 numbers are skewed by OT's.
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Way to not address any of the points I brought up, and instead just regurgitate all the crap I contested and say "I'm right" in various forms. I'm sure you and Rami will be best of friends on this board.
Well, when you adjust for scoring environment and league-average efficiency, Stoudemire is a markedly more valuable player than Isiah. That is, of course, taking into account the caveats I made along with that statement, which somehow Rami conveniently left out. But hey, why let reason get in the way of blind beliefs, right?
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Lefty,
I am sorry I did not break down your reply into quotes and argue against every fine detail of your thoughts. I honestly thought you were confused as some of your arguments made no sense and you were taking bits and pieces of my post out of context. I thought it would be wiser to simply restate my thoughts in a clearer way for you to understand, but if at the end of the day we disagree you do not have to act like a 4 year old. I typically do not argue, I debate, but your lack of tact pissde me off so I attacked back and name called. I do not like name calling because it is low and cheap and the easy way out.
What I am saying is I do not agree with you on this and lets leave it at that. if you are just one of those people who like to argue just to argue I will know soon enough and I will just ignore you. If you can debate without being an a-hole then maybe I will reply. You just need to relax. Go for a walk and get some fresh air.
I am sorry I did not break down your reply into quotes and argue against every fine detail of your thoughts. I honestly thought you were confused as some of your arguments made no sense and you were taking bits and pieces of my post out of context. I thought it would be wiser to simply restate my thoughts in a clearer way for you to understand, but if at the end of the day we disagree you do not have to act like a 4 year old. I typically do not argue, I debate, but your lack of tact pissde me off so I attacked back and name called. I do not like name calling because it is low and cheap and the easy way out.
What I am saying is I do not agree with you on this and lets leave it at that. if you are just one of those people who like to argue just to argue I will know soon enough and I will just ignore you. If you can debate without being an a-hole then maybe I will reply. You just need to relax. Go for a walk and get some fresh air.
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there is no having a simple back n forth with lefty hes a sometimer with a grudge against the world with lil to no actual bball knowledge see rami's sig
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WC7,
Thanks. Nice to that not everyone is drinking the koolaid. Melo might be the answer but let's see what Boozer/Rose looks like first.
Thanks. Nice to that not everyone is drinking the koolaid. Melo might be the answer but let's see what Boozer/Rose looks like first.
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like i said im still 50/50 on it but i would hate to give up taj while hes beasting & playing his role & then bam 3 weeks after booz comes back hes inj again then we HAVE to START TT or SCAL no bueno if we can some how pull off the trade & keep noah & taj that would be the best situation not the most likely but the best possibility
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1) Right, because that is totally what I was asking for.
2) Please point to specific quotes I took out of context, because I think you're confusing that with me "taking your asinine notions to their logical conclusions to show you how inherently stupid they are", or for those latin folks in the audience, a quasi-reductio ad absurdum.
3) Read as "I felt kinda stupid because I didn't understand you, so I just re-wrote everything I had said up until that point, but called YOU dumb on top of it."
4) I'm pretty sure a lack of intelligence played a part on your end, too. But hey, that's just me. And lack of tact? What are you talking about? This isn't a forum very conducive to diplomacy, and even then, your matter-of-fact demeanor in your posts used up what little respect you had garnered with me from just taking the time to write a thought-filled OP.
5) Yet you did it, Christ, at least three or four times, by my count.
6) Read as: "I don't like being called out on my stupid shit, so I'll ignore you so I don't have to see stupid thing I say after stupid thing get de-bunked and obliterated." Close?
7) The classic internet white flag.
8) Oh and yes, I'm still waiting for you to respond to the points I brought up in contradiction with yours. Take your time, I know they're a bit above your reading level, but sound out the words and remember to use context clues.
Back to this "lack of knowledge" thing again, really? Jesus Christ, you people, I swear.....
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there is no having a simple back n forth with lefty hes a sometimer with a grudge against the world with lil to no actual bball knowledge see rami's sig
Back to this "lack of knowledge" thing again, really? Jesus Christ, you people, I swear.....
Originally Posted by windycity7
there is no having a simple back n forth with lefty hes a sometimer with a grudge against the world with lil to no actual bball knowledge see rami's sig
Back to this "lack of knowledge" thing again, really? Jesus Christ, you people, I swear.....
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Perhaps that statement is true because, unlike most, I am not simple-minded? Either way, what does making the font bigger on a re-post accomplish? Already use up all your words for the day?
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im not simple minded either but i can have a conversation without totally blocking out what anyone says & trying to hammer my point across that not a back n forth thats a dumb ass yelling