Do the Bulls really need Carmelo Anthony?

[ChiTownCliff]

Lefty,

I am not saying that you do not have valid ideas. What I am saying is you come off as a jerk when you attempt to relay those ideas. Maybe you are simply missing a filter. Certainly you must suffer in social situations due to this handicap. I am not questioning you intellect either. You seem to be a fairly intelligent guy, but you lack etiquette. You do not even know me and I am faily new to this site and you think it is best to jump on me and rip my post apart and act like an a-hole in the process. To what end does this serve. Does this aggressive style bare you much fruit in life? I bet not.

I think I answered all you questions in my reply to your post. The issue is we do not see eye to eye. I see the trading for Melo an unnecessary risk if we have to include Deng, Gibson, JJ, and 2 1st rounders. You see it as a no brainer. People are allowed their opinions and there are two sides to this argument. but you are too closed-minded to see that. I like having a 3 man rotation with our bigs and I think our biggest issue is in the back court. You think we need another superstar and you do not see Rose as a superstar. See what else can we debate here? I am not going to knee down to you because you speak in latin. Do you want me to speak in German? I know that you are a smart guy. I can tell from the way you write, but that does not give you a pass on being a jerk. I have dealt with quite a few people like you before. Stubburn and unable to think outside the box.

You are simply looking for a fight that is not even there.

 

[WindyCity7]

Lefty,

I am not saying that you do not have valid ideas. What I am saying is you come off as a jerk when you attempt to relay those ideas. Maybe you are simply missing a filter. Certainly you must suffer in social situations due to this handicap. I am not questioning you intellect either. You seem to be a fairly intelligent guy, but you lack etiquette. You do not even know me and I am faily new to this site and you think it is best to jump on me and rip my post apart and act like an a-hole in the process. To what end does this serve. Does this aggressive style bare you much fruit in life? I bet not.

I think I answered all you questions in my reply to your post. The issue is we do not see eye to eye. I see the trading for Melo an unnecessary risk if we have to include Deng, Gibson, JJ, and 2 1st rounders. You see it as a no brainer. People are allowed their opinions and there are two sides to this argument. but you are too closed-minded to see that. I like having a 3 man rotation with our bigs and I think our biggest issue is in the back court. You think we need another superstar and you do not see Rose as a superstar. See what else can we debate here? I am not going to knee down to you because you speak in latin. Do you want me to speak in German? I know that you are a smart guy. I can tell from the way you write, but that does not give you a pass on being a jerk. I have dealt with quite a few people like you before. Stubburn and unable to think outside the box.

You are simply looking for a fight that is not even there.

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[houheffna]

Lefty,

I am not saying that you do not have valid ideas. What I am saying is you come off as a jerk when you attempt to relay those ideas. Maybe you are simply missing a filter. Certainly you must suffer in social situations due to this handicap. I am not questioning you intellect either. You seem to be a fairly intelligent guy, but you lack etiquette. You do not even know me and I am faily new to this site and you think it is best to jump on me and rip my post apart and act like an a-hole in the process. To what end does this serve. Does this aggressive style bare you much fruit in life? I bet not.

I think I answered all you questions in my reply to your post. The issue is we do not see eye to eye. I see the trading for Melo an unnecessary risk if we have to include Deng, Gibson, JJ, and 2 1st rounders. You see it as a no brainer. People are allowed their opinions and there are two sides to this argument. but you are too closed-minded to see that. I like having a 3 man rotation with our bigs and I think our biggest issue is in the back court. You think we need another superstar and you do not see Rose as a superstar. See what else can we debate here? I am not going to knee down to you because you speak in latin. Do you want me to speak in German? I know that you are a smart guy. I can tell from the way you write, but that does not give you a pass on being a jerk. I have dealt with quite a few people like you before. Stubburn and unable to think outside the box.

You are simply looking for a fight that is not even there.

Do you really believe that Deng, Gibson, JJ and two 1st rounders are NOT worth Carmelo? If you bring Carmelo here with Boozer, Noah, and Rose, you have a core of a championship team. They would be better than Miami.

I guess the real question is do you believe this team is championship caliber as is? I don't think so...

 

[WindyCity7]

Do you really believe that Deng, Gibson, JJ and two 1st rounders are NOT worth Carmelo? If you bring Carmelo here with Boozer, Noah, and Rose, you have a core of a championship team. They would be better than Miami.

I guess the real question is do you believe this team is championship caliber as is? I don't think so...

i think it is a champ contender but if we do that then were better than mia but what happens when the bench comes in & lbj or wade doesnt sit down with bosh i think thats what hes gettin at our 2nd string would be soft as baby shit

 

[houheffna]

i think it is a champ contender but if we do that then were better than mia but what happens when the bench comes in & lbj or wade doesnt sit down with bosh i think thats what hes gettin at our 2nd string would be soft as baby shit

the point is...you are better than Miami! Isn't that most important right now?

And with Korver, Watson and Brewer and big men who are functional in Asik and Kurt Thomas...that's enough.

I am sorry but its one thing to say you won't trade Noah for Melo...its another entirely to act as if Deng and Taj are irreplaceable. That is just erroneous thinking...period. I would expect smarter analysis than that from fans who have seen what championship teams are made of...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah... I see Deng+Gibson+2 first rounders as a near no-brainer for CHI. They would need to do that deal.... the repurcussions would be mind-blowing.

 

[WindyCity7]

the point is...you are better than Miami! Isn't that most important right now?

And with Korver, Watson and Brewer and big men who are functional in Asik and Kurt Thomas...that's enough.

I am sorry but its one thing to say you won't trade Noah for Melo...its another entirely to act as if Deng and Taj are irreplaceable. That is just erroneous thinking...period. I would expect smarter analysis than that from fans who have seen what championship teams are made of...

inot saying i wouldnt do it (the trade) im just saying our 2nd string with be very streaky & some nights down right but we could get it done

 

[ChiTownCliff]

Let us not forget about Rose in all of this. He did not reach out to LeBron. Would he be happy sharing with Melo? Do not get me wrong, but that is another concern. If Rose does not like the move then that could cause bigger problems.

On paper adding Melo and losing Deng, Taj, JJ, and 2 1st rounders does seem like a no-brainer, but we would be paper thin on the bench and would have nobody to backup Boozer if he gets hurt again. Melo would be replacing Deng and not really filling a hole like a shooting guard would. That is my point. Rose, Melo, Boozer, and Noah is as good as what the Heat have but who knows if tat is going to work out. Their bench is a major weakness for them. I would much rather follow the blueprints of a team like the Lakers and Celtics, both of which have won championship lately. Te Heat have done nothing.

The Celtics killed everyone in the playoff last year on their way to the Finals and pushed the Lakers to seven games with a roster very close to what we have.

Rose-Rondo
Pierce-Deng
Boozer-Garnett
Noah-Perkins
Rayray-?

I think our bench is about as good as theirs. Nate Robinson is better then Watson. Big baby and Taj are about equal. We have Korver and Brewer. It is pretty close. the one thing we are missing is a Ray allen. Korver can hit jumpers of of screen well and nail three pointers but he is not RayRay. I just think a balanced team with 2-3 allstars and a solid 7-8 man rotation wins Championships.

 

[Scoot26]

inot saying i wouldnt do it (the trade) im just saying our 2nd string with be very streaky & some nights down right but we could get it done

Some nights yes..but its a long regular season. We dont need to go 82-0. Come playoff time is really all that matters and chances are we wont need that much bench support in the playoffs. Dont get me wrong, the bench is still very very important, but I dont think it will suffer that much if we were to trade Deng, Gibson, JJ, and picks away for Carmelo.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Let us not forget about Rose in all of this. He did not reach out to LeBron. Would he be happy sharing with Melo? Do not get me wrong, but that is another concern. If Rose does not like the move then that could cause bigger problems.

On paper adding Melo and losing Deng, Taj, JJ, and 2 1st rounders does seem like a no-brainer, but we would be paper thin on the bench and would have nobody to backup Boozer if he gets hurt again. Melo would be replacing Deng and not really filling a hole like a shooting guard would. That is my point. Rose, Melo, Boozer, and Noah is as good as what the Heat have but who knows if tat is going to work out. Their bench is a major weakness for them. I would much rather follow the blueprints of a team like the Lakers and Celtics, both of which have won championship lately. Te Heat have done nothing.

The Celtics killed everyone in the playoff last year on their way to the Finals and pushed the Lakers to seven games with a roster very close to what we have.

Rose-Rondo
Pierce-Deng
Boozer-Garnett
Noah-Perkins
Rayray-?

I think our bench is about as good as theirs. Nate Robinson is better then Watson. Big baby and Taj are about equal. We have Korver and Brewer. It is pretty close. the one thing we are missing is a Ray allen. Korver can hit jumpers of of screen well and nail three pointers but he is not RayRay. I just think a balanced team with 2-3 allstars and a solid 7-8 man rotation wins Championships.

Wait... Boston's bench is way, way better than our's...

JO, Shaq ---- Asik, Thomas
Davis -------- Gibson
Daniels ------ Korver, Johnson
Robinson ----- Bogans
Delonte West--Watson

And the Bulls' bench is a problem that can easily be fixed by trading Asik, Watson, and/or Kyle Korver away for draft picks.

Derrick Rose would still have the same role on the Bulls if Melo was here. If LeBron was here, that would not be the case at all. Melo is primarily an off-the-ball or high-post scorer who plays both Forward positions. Melo NEEDS a great PG to win at a high level... Rose needs a secondary perimeter scorer that can handle the ball and consistently draw fouls (Deng cannot)... Both guys would complement each other very well.

Lastly, if Melo was here, Rose would still be 'the guy.'

D-Wade : LeBron in Miami :: D-Rose : Melo in Chicago
(the main difference is LeBron is the main feeder...Derrick would be a primary feeder but a shared 1st option scorer [the wa he is now]).

I actually believe Rose will soon be a better player than Carmelo Anthony... call me crazy but I do see Derrick with more upside as a player.

 

[houheffna]

Wait... Boston's bench is way, way better than our's...

JO, Shaq ---- Asik, Thomas
Davis -------- Gibson
Daniels ------ Korver, Johnson
Robinson ----- Bogans
Delonte West--Watson

And the Bulls' bench is a problem that can easily be fixed by trading Asik, Watson, and/or Kyle Korver away for draft picks.

Derrick Rose would still have the same role on the Bulls if Melo was here. If LeBron was here, that would not be the case at all. Melo is primarily an off-the-ball or high-post scorer who plays both Forward positions. Melo NEEDS a great PG to win at a high level... Rose needs a secondary perimeter scorer that can handle the ball and consistently draw fouls (Deng cannot)... Both guys would complement each other very well.

Lastly, if Melo was here, Rose would still be 'the guy.'

D-Wade : LeBron in Miami :: D-Rose : Melo in Chicago
(the main difference is LeBron is the main feeder...Derrick would be a primary feeder but a shared 1st option scorer [the wa he is now]).

I actually believe Rose will soon be a better player than Carmelo Anthony... call me crazy but I do see Derrick with more upside as a player.

I don't know if Rose would be the guy or not...Melo is the better player. And Melo would be the first option offensively. No doubt about that. Rose's primary job would be to get Melo the ball where he wanted it and run the offense so that it is not just a bunch of Melo Isolation plays. But I would have to think Melo would be the top dog on the offensive end as far as scoring goes.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I don't know if Rose would be the guy or not...Melo is the better player. And Melo would be the first option offensively. No doubt about that. Rose's primary job would be to get Melo the ball where he wanted it and run the offense so that it is not just a bunch of Melo Isolation plays. But I would have to think Melo would be the top dog on the offensive end as far as scoring goes.

Well, sure. But we saw that when Iverson played with Carmelo that both guys were still high-octane scorers. Rose would still get his shot attempts in... but the rest of the guys on the team would suffer lesser shot attempts as a result of Melo' presence.

As a PG, you are always the 'shared' 1st option scorer. If the shot is available and wise, you take it. But right now on the Bulls' the pecking order in terms of shots are:

1a- Rose / 1b- Deng or Gibson
4- Noah
5- Bogans/Brewer

...for that 1st unit

...if Melo was here, it would be

1a- Rose / 1b- Anthony
3- Boozer
4- Noah
5- Bogans/Brewer

 

[ChiTownCliff]

I don't know if Rose would be the guy or not...Melo is the better player. And Melo would be the first option offensively. No doubt about that. Rose's primary job would be to get Melo the ball where he wanted it and run the offense so that it is not just a bunch of Melo Isolation plays. But I would have to think Melo would be the top dog on the offensive end as far as scoring goes.

I agree

If Melo did come here then he would certainly be the top dog. I would see Rose turning into a 20 point and 10 assist Allstar PG, but Melo would be the 25-30 point and 8 rebound superstar he is now. Boozer would become 3rd fiddle and be a 16 and 10 type of PF and Noah would most likely be about 13 nad 13. Just my predictions.

The real issue is that Rose wants to be the freak's MVP of the NBA. Would he want to be the 2nd best player on his own team? Would he be happy? Could this cause problems? Just say'n.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I agree

If Melo did come here then he would certainly be the top dog. I would see Rose turning into a 20 point and 10 assist Allstar PG, but Melo would be the 25-30 point and 8 rebound superstar he is now. Boozer would become 3rd fiddle and be a 16 and 10 type of PF and Noah would most likely be about 13 nad 13. Just my predictions.

The real issue is that Rose wants to be the freak's MVP of the NBA. Would he want to be the 2nd best player on his own team? Would he be happy? Could this cause problems? Just say'n.

I think those numbers wouldnt be anywhere near as high, except Rose's numbers. But if you are anywhere close to being right... I would

K
I
L
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for that...

And, onto your point about Rose wanting to be Allen Iverson/Tracy McGrady type-of player... does it matter?

Rose said himself that he doesn't care about his numbers as long as he wins. I would want him gone if he thought any differently.

And if Rose thinks he's better than Melo, he certainly has the capability of proving it.

 

[pinkizdead]

i think we should just get a time machine and bring in a 25 year old ray allen.

 

[ChiTownCliff]

I think those numbers wouldnt be anywhere near as high, except Rose's numbers. But if you are anywhere close to being right... I would

K
I
L
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for that...

And, onto your point about Rose wanting to be Allen Iverson/Tracy McGrady type-of player... does it matter?

Rose said himself that he doesn't care about his numbers as long as he wins. I would want him gone if he thought any differently.

And if Rose thinks he's better than Melo, he certainly has the capability of proving it.

Those would be great numbers, but who else is putting up numbers? Korver? We would still have crap at the shooting guard spot and no frontcourt bench. Unless you want Scalabrine playing 20+ mintues a night. I might jump off a bridge. lol.

Like I said i like what Boston is and has been doing and the Lakers. Throwing a bunch of superstars together might not be the trick. I do consede that i like the idea of Rose/Melo/Boozer/Noah and if we could get some savvy vets to join us in the offseason to fill some holes like the Celtics have been doing then I guess it would not be a bad move.

I think there is a reasonable debate to be had, that is all. I do not like losing 2 1st rounders. That could equate to another Gibson like player or two. You never know. We really just need a better SG. That should be the focus if you ask me. Deng is pretty good and would be a nice 3rd option.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Those would be great numbers, but who else is putting up numbers? Korver? We would still have crap at the shooting guard spot and no frontcourt bench. Unless you want Scalabrine playing 20+ mintues a night. I might jump off a bridge. lol.

Like I said i like what Boston is and has been doing and the Lakers. Throwing a bunch of superstars together might not be the trick. I do consede that i like the idea of Rose/Melo/Boozer/Noah and if we could get some savvy vets to join us in the offseason to fill some holes like the Celtics have been doing then I guess it would not be a bad move.

I think there is a reasonable debate to be had, that is all. I do not like losing 2 1st rounders. That could equate to another Gibson like player or two. You never know. We really just need a better SG. That should be the focus if you ask me. Deng is pretty good and would be a nice 3rd option.

Don't sleep on Ronnie Brewer. He is one of the better defensive SGs and athletic scorers in the league.

And the Bulls would be able to pick up service-able player off waivers.

If that trade occurred, the main rotation would be:

Rose, Watson
Brewer, Bogans
Anthony, Korver
Boozer
Noah, Asik, Thomas

The Bulls would then be able to play small with Melo at the 4, or big with Noah and Asik at 4-5/front-court positions.

Rose would probably average 20+ and about 10.

Anthony about 25 and 6.

Boozer about 15 and 9 (on 50-55% shooting).

Noah about 9 and 12-13 rebounds...

If it is a debate, I wouldn't wanna be on the 'don't pull the trigger on this trade' side... Lol.

 

[Crystallas]

i think we should just get a time machine and bring in a 25 year old ray allen.

If we had a time machine, you would want Ray Allen?

 

[ChiTownCliff]

Don't sleep on Ronnie Brewer. He is one of the better defensive SGs and athletic scorers in the league.

And the Bulls would be able to pick up service-able player off waivers.

If that trade occurred, the main rotation would be:

Rose, Watson
Brewer, Bogans
Anthony, Korver
Boozer
Noah, Asik, Thomas

The Bulls would then be able to play small with Melo at the 4, or big with Noah and Asik at 4-5/front-court positions.

Rose would probably average 20+ and about 10.

Anthony about 25 and 6.

Boozer about 15 and 9 (on 50-55% shooting).

Noah about 9 and 12-13 rebounds...

If it is a debate, I wouldn't wanna be on the 'don't pull the trigger on this trade' side... Lol.

I agree. If Brewer can become the player that many though he would be a couple seasons ago then the Bulls might be fine with this trade. I just hate making a trade that brings in a player that is not in a postion of need. At least you are debating like a man. I am now about 50/50 on the issue, but that hinges on Rose welcoming him with open arms. I see what you see and I understand what Melo could mean to the Bulls, I just am not completly sold on it.

The bottomline is that we might all be blowing smoke here. I am not sure that Nuggets will let Melo do for that offer. i am sure the Knicks are going to be a big player, as well as the Nets. Maybe the Nuggets will just let him walk like the Raptors did with Chris bosh. Maybe he stays out west and plays with the Kings. God only knows.

 

[WindyCity7]

At least you are debating like a man. .

:rofl: