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Sad day IMHO.
 

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Sad? I know doctors that are happy he is gone.
 

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I live in the NW where you have the only 2 states where medically-assisited suicide is legal and I personaly back medically assisted suicide. As such, I look at him as a pioneer.
 

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I live in the NW where you have the only 2 states where medically-assisited suicide is legal and I personaly back medically assisted suicide. As such, I look at him as a pioneer.





Whereas many doctors consider him a murderer.
 

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I live in the NW where you have the only 2 states where medically-assisited suicide is legal and I personaly back medically assisted suicide. As such, I look at him as a pioneer.



Yeah a shame not enough people understand his argument.
 

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Yeah a shame not enough people understand his argument.



I always envisioned him as the school geek that never really had any friends, lived in his own world and pictured him thinking to himself, "Some day I will show them!"



His position while being full of controversy is something that I was neutral on. His arrogance, his attorney's arrogance and his overall creepy personality is what turned me off about him. I think he did more harm than good to his cause just because of who he was and how he approached the entire situation.



I bet he died a lonely man full of emptiness.
 

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I always envisioned him as the school geek that never really had any friends, lived in his own world and pictured him thinking to himself, "Some day I will show them!"



His position while being full of controversy is something that I was neutral on. His arrogance, his attorney's arrogance and his overall creepy personality is what turned me off about him. I think he did more harm than good to his cause just because of who he was and how he approached the entire situation.



I bet he died a lonely man full of emptiness.

Actually, he had many families and followers who were very grateful for him and stayed with him and fought with him to till the end.
 

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Well, I know the hippocratic oath states "to do no harm". In the splitting hairs realm, what's more harmful: Giving a patient a relatively painless way for them to commit suicide with dignity, or keeping someone hooked up to machines to prolong their life of agony all while collecting the medical bill?



The real question on that debate is that is it wrong to take your own life or assist someone in taking their own life willfully. Personally, I'm neutral on the assisting someone, but I think everyone has the right to die.
 

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Actually, he had many families and followers who were very grateful for him and stayed with him and fought with him to till the end.



Yeah that's a ridiculous notion. Full of emptiness and lonely? I don't think people understand that for all the outsider criticism and hate he got, like you said, the people he actually helped and their families are forever grateful for what he did. And isn't that the most important thing when looking at a person and how they lived their life, what their impact was to the people they met and loved? A lot of doctors thought he was a murderer? A lot of doctors are morons. He is a pioneer because he took part in the evolving of ideas.
 

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To me... the death penalty is worse than assisted suicide.



I don't get how more people think the death penalty is ok but don't think assisted suicide should be legal.



So let me get this straight... it's more ok to sentence someone to the death penalty who is already living in hell for the rest of his life in the prison for something terrible they did but it's not ok to assist someone who was sentenced to the death penalty in the form of some terminal disease.



So... the serial rapist gets the easy way out but John/Jane Doe have to suffer for years with a terminal disease?



And actually I do get why more people see the death penalty as a viable form of MURDER... because they are hellbent on killing out of vengeance. Maybe if people opened their eyes they'd realize they're wrong.
 

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Yeah that's a ridiculous notion. Full of emptiness and lonely? I don't think people understand that for all the outsider criticism and hate he got, like you said, the people he actually helped and their families are forever grateful for what he did. And isn't that the most important thing when looking at a person and how they lived their life, what their impact was to the people they met and loved? A lot of doctors thought he was a murderer? A lot of doctors are morons. He is a pioneer because he took part in the evolving of ideas.





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Yelp, back to my original plan for my assisted suicide...



Heroin overdose.
 

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So IHF, have you ever seen the interview of him talking about what he did? This was after he got out of jail but it included video footage of one of his patients. In that video Dr. K specifically asked the man several times to wait and think about his decision. He also asked him on camera several times to affirm his request to be euthanized. He also had the man 'sign' a contract showing he was of sound mind and not being put out of his misery by family members.



He did this same practice with all of the nearly 130 patients he assisted.



This interview was re-run on CBS Sunday Morning this weekend.



There was never any murder, these people were of sound mind and asked for this. You, your doctor friends, and the judge that sentenced him to a prison term of 10-25 years need to walk a day in those patients' shoes before you call a man assisting them in ending their pain and suffering a murderer!
 

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So IHF, have you ever seen the interview of him talking about what he did? This was after he got out of jail but it included video footage of one of his patients. In that video Dr. K specifically asked the man several times to wait and think about his decision. He also asked him on camera several times to affirm his request to be euthanized. He also had the man 'sign' a contract showing he was of sound mind and not being put out of his misery by family members.



He did this same practice with all of the nearly 130 patients he assisted.



This interview was re-run on CBS Sunday Morning this weekend.



There was never any murder, these people were of sound mind and asked for this. You, your doctor friends, and the judge that sentenced him to a prison term of 10-25 years need to walk a day in those patients' shoes before you call a man assisting them in ending their pain and suffering a murderer!



I love how you always find a way to single me out.



Pain and suffering is certainly understood. Who wouldn't have compassion for those in such dire conditions?



Bottom line, there were laws against assisting. He broke the law knowing full well. Just because he thinks (and others like you) that it is okay to break laws because you feel it is right to do so does not mean everyone must agree with your opinion or stance. He broke laws period. The reasons why he is considered a murderer in the medical field is because many felt he broke the oath that he took.



He was a creepy person to me. Something did not seem "normal" about him from what I have read and watched. Even his background in the medical field is bizarre to the average person. He seemed to have an obsession with death.



Jack Kevorkian (born 1928) became known as "Dr. Death," in part, because he assisted many people in committing suicide. Kevorkian considered the right to die to be a basic personal right, having nothing to do with government laws. He felt there could be a time when a suffering person may choose death and that physicians should be allowed to assist.



Jack Kevorkian originally wanted to be a baseball radio broadcaster, but his Armenian immigrant parents felt that he should have a more promising career. So he became a doctor, specializing in pathology. Kevorkian worked primarily with deceased people, performing autopsies in order to study the essential nature of diseases. His parents never imagined that he would be the one to design the first modern Thanatron (Greek for "death machine") nor that he would be the first to help people use this machine.



Kevorkian was born on May 28, 1928, in Pontiac, Michigan. He was raised in an Armenian, Greek, and Bulgarian neighborhood. Kevorkian attended the University of Michigan medical school and graduated in 1952. Kevorkian initially received his macabre nickname, "Dr. Death," for his pioneering medical experiments in the 1950's. He photographed the eyes of dying patients in order to determine the exact time of death. He believed that this precise knowledge would yield valuable information about diseases.
 

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It kind of ironic that he tried numerous medical treatments for years to stay alive longer.

Allegedly spent a lot of money on heath care near the end too (Kidney issues).
 

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I love how you always find a way to single me out.



Pain and suffering is certainly understood. Who wouldn't have compassion for those in such dire conditions?



Bottom line, there were laws against assisting. He broke the law knowing full well. Just because he thinks (and others like you) that it is okay to break laws because you feel it is right to do so does not mean everyone must agree with your opinion or stance. He broke laws period. The reasons why he is considered a murderer in the medical field is because many felt he broke the oath that he took.



He was a creepy person to me. Something did not seem "normal" about him from what I have read and watched. Even his background in the medical field is bizarre to the average person. He seemed to have an obsession with death.





Whelp let's give America back to the British and swear an oath of loyalty to her royal highness. Since you know the revolution was all about breaking the law.



Just because it is a law doesn't make it right.



And this is an issue of right and wrong.
 

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Whelp let's give America back to the British and swear an oath of loyalty to her royal highness. Since you know the revolution was all about breaking the law.



Just because it is a law doesn't make it right.



And this is an issue of right and wrong.



Thats generally how things go. Laws end up getting removed because people break them to make a point at just how stupid they are. Take the jim crow laws, how did the civil rights movement get their point across in alot of cases? By violating those laws on purpose in mass quantities and getting thrown in jail.
 

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Thats generally how things go. Laws end up getting removed because people break them to make a point at just how stupid they are. Take the jim crow laws, how did the civil rights movement get their point across in alot of cases? By violating those laws on purpose in mass quantities and getting thrown in jail.



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I didn't single you out. You were the only person that called him a murderer. By proxy you singled yourself out, smarty pants.



It's nice to see you get so upset when people 'laugh at, denegrate, and single you out' but then your response to Tim's post is a laughing emoticon?



Pot calling kettle, pot calling kettle...line two, please pick up.
 

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