Dr. Death Dead

[The Count Dante]

Well you can forget the moral bullshit, that's personal and should remain that way. So then what changes the legal standpoint? Because it's happened in these kind of cases all throughout history before. It's people like Kevorkian. People like Rosa Parks, like Martin Luther King, etc. The circumstances and topics are different from each other in my examples of course, but the main point is the same.There are those who must take that initial risk to push the evolution of whatever it is holding us back from progressing, even meaning breaking a law if that be the case. Those first people to take that plunge are almost always demonized, ostracized, persecuted and even killed. Because they chose not to be "normal".



It's the same song and dance, the same routine with how the majority of the "normal" people and especially the media deal with guys like Kevorkian. You've followed it to a tune. We put labels on them, be it creepy, lonely, odd, traitor, ****** lover, hippie, Commie, fascist, Marxist, baby killer, ******, pussy, whatever works. Whatever we'll run with. Whatever it is that best fits the circumstances. Whatever that is most convenient and, more importantly, most polarizing, the one that puts them in as much a negative light as possible, that separates them as much as possible from the "normal" people. Something that might dissuade potential supporters from being associated with that person.

BAH! Commie liberal hippie fubbary!!

 

[BigPete]

Well you can forget the moral bullshit, that's personal and should remain that way. So then what changes the legal standpoint? Because it's happened in these kind of cases all throughout history before. It's people like Kevorkian. People like Rosa Parks, like Martin Luther King, etc. The circumstances and topics are different from each other in my examples of course, but the main point is the same.There are those who must take that initial risk to push the evolution of whatever it is holding us back from progressing, even meaning breaking a law if that be the case. Those first people to take that plunge are almost always demonized, ostracized, persecuted and even killed. Because they chose not to be "normal".

You forgot to add Jesus of Nazareth to your list. He railed against the Jewish elders (rabbinical council) and Roman occupiers.

 

[Variable]

Seeing as it's Ice Hog, that's probably the single best example there is to bring up.

 

[Pez68]

What you don't get is that for some this issue has two concerns.



One is from a legal standpoint. The other is from a moral standpoint.





I often must tell myself that I am on a hockey board.........

Have you ever lit off a firework in Illinois on the 4th of July? A real firework, not the smoke bombs they sell at WalMart.

 

[BigPete]

You all have to keep in mind that IHF was once a police officer, albeit an Air Force one. Cops enforce the laws, they don't make them or interpret them.

 

[Pez68]

You all have to keep in mind that IHF was once a police officer, albeit an Air Force one. Cops enforce the laws, they don't make them or interpret them.

So he's like one of those cops that pulls you over at 3:45 a.m. as you're coming home from work, and writes you a ticket for changing lanes without signaling, and going 4 mph over the speed limit, on a totally empty roadway? Got it.

 

[LordKOTL]

I'm not going to bash a single person on here, but really, any moral issue is between any single indivitual and their conscience or their chosen Deity--Morality should never be levied onto someone else.

 

[The Count Dante]

I am a believer that when I am nothing left but a burden to anyone who managed to actually be around me, I will certainly have assisted suicide. If it is through a Dr. or a Drug Dealer, it makes me no nevermind.



But to me, that will be a good death. A respectful and thoughtful one.



Those that keep loved ones alive with no hope of recovery or within a life of pain and drudgery are simply nothing more than selfish.



Death is a part of life and to preserve life above all else, to me is nonsensical and a waste of resources, money, and quality of life of those that may be around me.

 

[MassHavoc]

I am a believer that when I am nothing left but a burden to anyone who managed to actually be around me, I will certainly have assisted suicide. If it is through a Dr. or a Drug Dealer, it makes me no nevermind.



But to me, that will be a good death. A respectful and thoughtful one.



Those that keep loved ones alive with no hope of recovery or within a life of pain and drudgery are simply nothing more than selfish.



Death is a part of life and to preserve life above all else, to me is nonsensical and a waste of resources, money, and quality of life of those that may be around me.

I think whoever made your avatar should have someone help him die.

 

[BigPete]

I am a believer that when I am nothing left but a burden to anyone who managed to actually be around me, I will certainly have assisted suicide. If it is through a Dr. or a Drug Dealer, it makes me no nevermind.



But to me, that will be a good death. A respectful and thoughtful one.



Those that keep loved ones alive with no hope of recovery or within a life of pain and drudgery are simply nothing more than selfish.

Death is a part of life and to preserve life above all else, to me is nonsensical and a waste of resources, money, and quality of life of those that may be around me.

That is exactly what my aunt and cousins just tried to to with my grandma. She made it to 91 in pretty damn good health and didn't lose her mental faculties until the last two or three years. But as she lay essentially brain dead in a hospital bed from a stroke, they wanted to keep all of her medicine going but not give her a feeding tube...WHAT? My mom had been her primary care giver for over two years and just wanted her pain and suffering to be over, but the drugs they were giving her was to keep her heart strong and not let her body die quickly as it normally would have sans drugs.

My mom, even though she was power of attorney and could have made the call without my aunt's input, decided to be gracious and give them a week. Mind you, the whole time the doctor kept saying she was 'gone'.



Now that shit is selfish on my aunt and cousins' parts.

 

[Variable]

Gotta get that shit down in writing. Before it gets to that stage. Very clear and strict instructions on what to do.

 

[BigPete]

If you are talking about my scenario, there was a DNR but it doesn't cover this situation exactly.

 

[The Count Dante]

Gotta get that shit down in writing. Before it gets to that stage. Very clear and strict instructions on what to do.

Done and Done. Wanna have some fun? Ask your bestest buddy, the brother of another mother if he can kill you.



Then go get drunk!

 

[The Count Dante]

I think whoever made your avatar should have someone help him die.

I lost a bet at work...



I am serving my penance...



Probably should have not not posted ANYTHING...

 

[bookjones]

I wonder if Fifth Third Bank is some sort of apology for slavery?

You think? If I went into a branch do you think I could demand my 40 acres and a mule? Sweet!

 

[supraman]

You think? If I went into a branch do you think I could demand my 40 acres and a mule? Sweet!

Shit you are asian too, if you are Japanese you might get even more.

 

[supraman]

I lost a bet at work...



I am serving my penance...



Probably should have not not posted ANYTHING...

After this bet, Any chance of the return of orange shorts?

 

[MassHavoc]

I lost a bet at work...



I am serving my penance...



Probably should have not not posted ANYTHING...

Shit, if that's the case, I might have to figure out a way to permalock that thing as your avatar.

 

[bookjones]

Shit you are asian too, if you are Japanese you might get even more.

****, I didn't even think of that angle! You're a crafty mo-fo. Alas, the Japanese part is strictly postwar though dude. It only came into play because of the War so no fams were interred. Unless I was willing to dare pulling a scam of course. Really, I'd just have to be content with the land and the mule.





Back on topic though---Living Wills are the way to go IMO. They can be so beneficial. Failing that then at least DNRs relieve a tremendous burden off families.

 

[MassHavoc]

****, I didn't even think of that angle! You're a crafty mo-fo. Alas, the Japanese part is strictly postwar though dude. It only came into play because of the War so no fams were interred. Unless I was willing to dare pulling a scam of course. Really, I'd just have to be content with the land and the mule.





Back on topic though---Living Wills are the way to go IMO. They can be so beneficial. Failing that then at least DNRs relieve a tremendous burden off families.

My wife is an adamant DNR (go figure being married to me) and cremation person. We don't have a living will so hopefully nothing happens because I don't want anything to get messy... of course, I could always point to this post.... then again, if i point to this point it may look like i'm incriminating myself.