Election 2012~ Obama vs. Romney

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Along with his WH staff and administration and those positions that can be appointed by POTUS.



To think that every cabinet position filled by POTUS does not have any bearing upon us is insane.

Look at Geithner, Bernanke, Holder and Sebelius to name a few.



While talking about Holder (and how he has no influence according to comments posted here) how about the number of times he is suing states for what he and the POTUS consider to be wrong. *** marriage in individual states along with immigration reform to name a few.







Yep, the POTUS has no influence on us citizens.............



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So what has Bernanke done so horribly that all the other sectaries of treasury haven't already done.
 

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The *only* thing they have major impact on is the USSC appointments. And even the SC doesn't sway to far from the line on most decisions.



*** marriage will eventually get to the SC, could the President effect that, possible. Although many conservative appointments have veared toward the liberal side and the other way around.



They will take the high road and leave it up to the States, as to not "rock the boat".
 

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I'm just as broke under Obama as I was under Bush....



Here's a thought hoser---stop spending all your money on new video games, cable, and porn.
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I enjoy your banter IHF, and I appreciate, even maybe admire your hunger for politics and political debate.



The thing that may anger you a bit, and is sad I agree, is the fact that me and many of my contemporaries have lost faith in the system. It really does seem like different puppet, same puppet master. Bush was called the most liberal, spendocrat there has ever been. Obama is accused of being quite the conservative. It all depends on who ya talk to.



I for one, really don't see sweeping changes being made. Whether that is a product of the mass media instilling fear into the candidates that they won't get/retain the government job, or trying to "brainwash" the people to vote one way or the other. While there are plenty of smart people out there, passionate people that have a clear idea of what this nation needs, they are far outnumbered by stupid, shallow, uneducated, close-minded arrogant morons that screw everything up.
 

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actually Jeff most of the smart people, who could actually make change or difference are un electable in the public arena. Very sad because those are the individuals who could possibly change the political culture.
 

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actually Jeff most of the smart people, who could actually make change or difference are un electable in the public arena. Very sad because those are the individuals who could possibly change the political culture.



The smart people, who could actually affect change and have a strong nation under them don't want to be in office. Too many organizations and entities looking for dirt, such as The Reverend Wright thing, or that one time in high school you were a dick and beat someone up. Or that time in kowledge you smoked so much weed and did so much blow your nickname was Snorty McGreenypants



Which is an absolute shame. There are some incredibly smart people out there that may not have had an exemplary life.
 

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There are a lot of "smart people" that don't feel they'd get elected, nor have the funds to even attempt. It's not that they don't want to be in office, but because of those things you mentioned would never get that far. That's where society sucks as a whole IMO. And a reason things will not change.



Does the President have influence, absolutely. Is that influence able to over come the other two bodies, not likely. Not even with majority would things change much. Like MANY have said it's not a "party" issue. It's not Conservative vs Liberal, nor should it be. Unfortunately those who see it that way fall into the above category.



I'd love to be in a Political Office. I earned a degree in hopes of doing so. Unfortunately things in my past, which were NOT bad in my opinion/judgement, would exclude me from even a chance. I'd even take a pay cut to try and help fix some of this countries issues.
 

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I enjoy your banter IHF, and I appreciate, even maybe admire your hunger for politics and political debate.



The thing that may anger you a bit, and is sad I agree, is the fact that me and many of my contemporaries have lost faith in the system. It really does seem like different puppet, same puppet master. Bush was called the most liberal, spendocrat there has ever been. Obama is accused of being quite the conservative. It all depends on who ya talk to.



I for one, really don't see sweeping changes being made. Whether that is a product of the mass media instilling fear into the candidates that they won't get/retain the government job, or trying to "brainwash" the people to vote one way or the other. While there are plenty of smart people out there, passionate people that have a clear idea of what this nation needs, they are far outnumbered by stupid, shallow, uneducated, close-minded arrogant morons that screw everything up.



I agree with the above. To me there is no difference in Democrats or Republicans short of talk only. While at one point in history these two parties may have represented 2 divergent views, this is no longer true and those difference now sound like mere dogma. While this may not be true for those that vote one way or the other, I feel this is true of the majority of politicans that claim one side or the other.



Obama, Romney, Bush, Kerry, etc., there is no difference. No real difference. This is one of the factors that has made me vote Libertarian (even when the candiate was a nut bag, I can admit there have been a few) execpt for Perot and Clinton (1 term), whom I also voted for. Both of these candidates I voted for because I felt they could be good LEADERS.



The only thing the 2 party system is now good for is pointing fingers at each other without getting anything done. This DOES include many of those who label themselves in each party and that is clearly evident even in the forums here: "You can blame Obama for that" "Thank the Bush Administration for this".



And I have taken comments from both sides... Democrat: "If you are going to vote with a third party and change, you might as well vote Democrat, your vote is wasted" Republican: "Libertarians and Republican believe in the same things, you might as well vote Republican, your vote is wasted."



I always argue that in the status quo, a vote of republican or democrat is a wasted vote. Mine is at least based on principals I believe in. I agree with the majority of the Libertarian stances and I feel there needs to be more voices. A vote of republican or democrat just feels like trying to pick a winner and be a part of the winning side.
 

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I agree with the above. To me there is no difference in Democrats or Republicans short of talk only. While at one point in history these two parties may have represented 2 divergent views, this is no longer true and those difference now sound like mere dogma. While this may not be true for those that vote one way or the other, I feel this is true of the majority of politicans that claim one side or the other.



Obama, Romney, Bush, Kerry, etc., there is no difference. No real difference. This is one of the factors that has made me vote Libertarian (even when the candiate was a nut bag, I can admit there have been a few) execpt for Perot and Clinton (1 term), whom I also voted for. Both of these candidates I voted for because I felt they could be good LEADERS.



The only thing the 2 party system is now good for is pointing fingers at each other without getting anything done. This DOES include many of those who label themselves in each party and that is clearly evident even in the forums here: "You can blame Obama for that" "Thank the Bush Administration for this".



And I have taken comments from both sides... Democrat: "If you are going to vote with a third party and change, you might as well vote Democrat, your vote is wasted" Republican: "Libertarians and Republican believe in the same things, you might as well vote Republican, your vote is wasted."



I always argue that in the status quo, a vote of republican or democrat is a wasted vote. Mine is at least based on principals I believe in. I agree with the majority of the Libertarian stances and I feel there needs to be more voices. A vote of republican or democrat just feels like trying to pick a winner and be a part of the winning side.



Well said.
 

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The *only* thing they have major impact on is the USSC appointments. And even the SC doesn't sway to far from the line on most decisions.



*** marriage will eventually get to the SC, could the President effect that, possible. Although many conservative appointments have veared toward the liberal side and the other way around.



They will take the high road and leave it up to the States, as to not "rock the boat".

The SC didn't leave interracial marriages up to the states. Civil rights yo. Equal rights for all!
 

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Count, you just described the oligarchy that is American government.
 

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And I have taken comments from both sides... Democrat: "If you are going to vote with a third party and change, you might as well vote Democrat, your vote is wasted" Republican: "Libertarians and Republican believe in the same things, you might as well vote Republican, your vote is wasted."



I always argue that in the status quo, a vote of republican or democrat is a wasted vote. Mine is at least based on principals I believe in. I agree with the majority of the Libertarian stances and I feel there needs to be more voices. A vote of republican or democrat just feels like trying to pick a winner and be a part of the winning side.



The only wasted vote is a vote cast as part of the herd. If you find a candidate that fits your ideals, whether one of the big 2, a Libertarian, or some dude down the street with a sammich board, vote for that person. That isn't wasted. You voted for the person you believe in.
 

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The only wasted vote is a vote cast as part of the herd. If you find a candidate that fits your ideals, whether one of the big 2, a Libertarian, or some dude down the street with a sammich board, vote for that person. That isn't wasted. You voted for the person you believe in.

Exactly.

"If you don't vote, you have nothing to complain about."





























"Wait, wait.... why are you voting for that guy?"
 

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Pete you got my drift. BHP I tried, they didn't elect me.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...urt-declares/2012/05/31/gJQAHDxO4U_story.html



A federal appeals court panel in Boston declared the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional on Thursday, but said that only the Supreme Court will be able to settle the question of whether the federal government must recognize same-sex marriages from states where such unions are legal.



Let's see what's next...
 

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