Every Fields sack against Green Bay, for the “geniuses” that are saying that he “held onto the ball to long”

[dbldrew]

Trying to ignore why your QB is Mack Jones and deflect with strawmen? Typical.

Guess we should've kept Getsy and his screen passes to get that time to throw stat up.

what does Mac Jones have to do with the debate with Fields? Do you not understand what Deflect and Strawman arguments are? because thats what you are doing with trying to deflect the debate off Fields and onto Mac Jones

 

[Myk]

what does Mac Jones have to do with the debate with Fields? Do you not understand what Deflect and Strawman arguments are? because thats what you are doing with trying to deflect the debate off Fields and onto Mac Jones

He's the #2 fastest time to throw. That average stat you think is so important. If it's important wouldn't the #2 fastest at that stat be great?

The strawman is you trying to pretend I give a crap about making Fields looking either way. YOU are the one who is invested in trying to make him look one way or another.

I care the Bears get a viable team at some point before I'm dead. If that would be possible to do with a defense that would win with a 3-0 score I would love it, but that's not happening in the modern NFL. We need an offense and that will require more than swapping QBs around until we can find one who can do it alone, which also isn't happening in the modern NFL.

We could have Rex Grossman on this team and I'd try to bite the bullet and say it would be best to ride with him and build offense. But I really hated him so it would be hard.

 

[dbldrew]

He's the #2 fastest time to throw. That average stat you think is so important. If it's important wouldn't the #2 fastest at that stat be great?

The strawman is you trying to pretend I give a crap about making Fields looking either way. YOU are the one who is invested in trying to make him look one way or another.

I care the Bears get a viable team at some point before I'm dead. If that would be possible to do with a defense that would win with a 3-0 score I would love it, but that's not happening in the modern NFL. We need an offense and that will require more than swapping QBs around until we can find one who can do it alone, which also isn't happening in the modern NFL.

We could have Rex Grossman on this team and I'd try to bite the bullet and say it would be best to ride with him and build offense. But I really hated him so it would be hard.

There is more to being a good QB then just time to throw. What the hell are you going on about? We are talking pressure and for that specific skill time to throw is directly related to the pressure you deal with.
Fields deals with a lot of pressure and sacks, that's directly related to how slow he is at processing and throwing.

This is a flaw to his game he has had coming out of college and it's still here today.

 

[Myk]

There is more to being a good QB then just time to throw. What the hell are you going on about? We are talking pressure and for that specific skill time to throw is directly related to the pressure you deal with.
Fields deals with a lot of pressure and sacks, that's directly related to how slow he is at processing and throwing.

This is a flaw to his game he has had coming out of college and it's still here today.

There's more to time to throw because it's a freakin average! It's meaningless because it's an average of many causes. That's always been my point about that idiotic made up stat.
You could keep a stat on how many birds landed on the field during a game and it would have nearly as much bearing on anything.

Noodle arm throws a lot of screens so he has a fast time to pass. Big game hunter throws instant long bomb TDs every time they get the ball and he holds the ball too long. Neither extreme means they are the better player.

If Fields is slow to pull the trigger that has nothing to do with time to throw even if it shows there.
I've said Fields has tunnel vision. I've said he doesn't anticipate WRs.
He also has an interior oline that is absolute crap for some odd reason and most WRs that are lucky to make starter on any other NFL team.

If he was the way he is in college than all we did was make it worse by not giving him protection and good WRs. But aren't you the one who said to get the QB and then slow walk getting oline and targets later?
You, like the McCaskeys don't want a winning team. You want a scapegoat to blame for defense no longer being a viable plan to win in the NFL.

 

[dbldrew]

There's more to time to throw because it's a freakin average! It's meaningless because it's an average of many causes. That's always been my point about that idiotic made up stat.
You could keep a stat on how many birds landed on the field during a game and it would have nearly as much bearing on anything.

Noodle arm throws a lot of screens so he has a fast time to pass. Big game hunter throws instant long bomb TDs every time they get the ball and he holds the ball too long. Neither extreme means they are the better player.

If Fields is slow to pull the trigger that has nothing to do with time to throw even if it shows there.
I've said Fields has tunnel vision. I've said he doesn't anticipate WRs.
He also has an interior oline that is absolute crap for some odd reason and most WRs that are lucky to make starter on any other NFL team.

If he was the way he is in college than all we did was make it worse by not giving him protection and good WRs. But aren't you the one who said to get the QB and then slow walk getting oline and targets later?
You, like the McCaskeys don't want a winning team. You want a scapegoat to blame for defense no longer being a viable plan to win in the NFL.

You realize your attempted excuse making for Fields actually paints him as a moron right?

You want to blame the OL for being bad.. then you say that Fields is a "big game hunter"

Lets pretend for a moment that you are correct that the OL is trash, then 1 of 2 things has to be true

1) Fields is a moron for not realizing his OL is trash

2) Fields is a moron for knowing his OL wont hold up but saying **** it im going deep anyway

You need to slow down and really think through your excuse making when trying to defend fields otherwise you might accidently paint him in a bad light

 

[Myk]

You realize your attempted excuse making for Fields actually paints him as a moron right?

You want to blame the OL for being bad.. then you say that Fields is a "big game hunter"

Lets pretend for a moment that you are correct that the OL is trash, then 1 of 2 things has to be true

1) Fields is a moron for not realizing his OL is trash

2) Fields is a moron for knowing his OL wont hold up but saying **** it im going deep anyway

You need to slow down and really think through your excuse making when trying to defend fields otherwise you might accidently paint him in a bad light

You realize I don't care whether or not he's a moron, right?
I don't care whether or not he's the worst QB in the word, or whether or not he came that way or we made him that way, right?
The only thing I care about is the Bears have a TEAM before I'm dead.

I'm very sure Fields realizes his oline is trash. You need to pay attention. Since it's obvious you're as tunnel visioned as Fields is why should I believe anything you say?
You obviously can only see the QB. Until he's down at least. Once he's down and motioning to the oline to ask why they went the wrong direction you can no longer see that.
Fields after the oline screws up is only slightly less obvious than Cutler and J'Taco.

Fields is not the one who says **** it I'm doing this or that. That is the person calling plays in his ear. That's your first problem, you like the McCaskeys think this is 1940. But only if it's convenient. If the QB was actually freeballing like that you'd be crying about that too.

I've talked countless times about problems Fields has as a QB. Blocking dline is not one of them. That's not the QB's job. And neither is stopping the other team from scoring.
The problem is dumbasses like you want to blame the Bears QB for everything on the field which causes people to say how stupid you are so it seems like they are defending a QB that if you would stop trying to go to idiotic extremes and blame the QB for everything and stick to the problems the QB actually has you would find people agreed with you.
But no, you have to be obtuse and act like you've never seen a QB before.

 

[Bearly]

lol how is TTT an official NFL driven/owned stat? It’s just a piece of data PFF/ESPN other stat people put together

This is absolutely true and guys like Russell Wilson and this year's likely 1st draft pick tend to top those charts BUT the difference is that they have yards, TDs and increased passer ratings to show for it. They're navigating the space and extending passing plays much more successfully.

 

[Bearly]

no its a NFL next gen stat

NGS | NFL Next Gen Stats

NFL’s Next Gen Stats captures real time location data, speed and acceleration for every player, every play on every inch of the field. Discover Next Gen Stats News, Charts, and Statistics.

nextgenstats.nfl.com

Correction. It's a NEXTGEN website's stat.

 

[onebud34]

There's more to time to throw because it's a freakin average! It's meaningless because it's an average of many causes. That's always been my point about that idiotic made up stat.
You could keep a stat on how many birds landed on the field during a game and it would have nearly as much bearing on anything.

Noodle arm throws a lot of screens so he has a fast time to pass. Big game hunter throws instant long bomb TDs every time they get the ball and he holds the ball too long. Neither extreme means they are the better player.

If Fields is slow to pull the trigger that has nothing to do with time to throw even if it shows there.
I've said Fields has tunnel vision. I've said he doesn't anticipate WRs.
He also has an interior oline that is absolute crap for some odd reason and most WRs that are lucky to make starter on any other NFL team.

If he was the way he is in college than all we did was make it worse by not giving him protection and good WRs. But aren't you the one who said to get the QB and then slow walk getting oline and targets later?
You, like the McCaskeys don't want a winning team. You want a scapegoat to blame for defense no longer being a viable plan to win in the NFL.

dblpoo doesn't know what an average is though

 

[dbldrew]

Correction. It's a NEXTGEN website's stat.

Correction its a next gen stat on the NFL official website

 

[dabears70]

Chicago Bears Sackwatch 2023: Week 18 vs Green Bay Packers

With all the news from Halas Hall, some of you may have forgotton the season finale less than a week ago. We did not, and we break down the five sacks allowed here...

www.windycitygridiron.com

 

[HearshotKDS]

Here's an example of a sack from GB that unfortunately happens with 3 open WRs, Bears are running double outs on the backside and flipped Smash to the playside with a RB running a flare underneath by motioning out of Pistol:


Presnap motion takes the MLB out of the play following the RB - the OLB threatening rush drops into a 3 point stance so you know what he's doing. The backside S moves up so you guess he is playing your TE in man, but is going to play him with inside leverage because the LB has vacated the middle of the field. To me if you know you are running double outs to the backside and see they only have an 8 yards deep corner and a S coming from the inside to play it thats where I expect to go presnap:

TBF to Fields the C fucks up the snap because ofc he does he's a Bears Center. But the result of the play is you have 2 WIDE open guys on the backside that presnap read probably tells you to expect, and then DJ about to cut his post into open space. JT says this 100% has to be thrown to DJ and ill defer to him, but still think the presnap read basically told you backside is going to be Christmas and it was. The result is this play ends in a sack on first down:


Here it is from the back angle, 36 the S at the top hasnt broke on the ball yet hes still back pedaling and DJ is crossing into open green, unfortunately the QB has already decided to bail on the pocket when a throw to 3/5 WRs on the field is wide open at this time, including what should be hist primary read:


I've been vocally on team tradedown but you cant just ostrich when the film shows something that doesnt support your opinion.

 

[run and shoot]

dbldrew.......how can you watch the footage and still promote the​

" holding the ball too long" narrative"

Sack at 0:39, low snap, Fields has to drop his eyes, and bend over to prevent a fumble, by the time he gets upright again, the pass rush is already in top of him. Tries to step up, and Van Ness sheds his man and sacks Fields from behind.

Sack 2:50, sacked in less than 2 seconds

Sack at 4:53, sacked in less than 2 seconds

Sack at 4:45, gets hit in less than 2 seconds, breaks free and tries to step up, interior has already broken down, leaving no pocket for him to step up into, and gets sacked immediately .

Sack at 10:35, gets sacked in less than 2 seconds.

4 plays does not make a career, yes he holds the ball too long he always has

he holds it longer then any other QB

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Also this is fun here is his scouting report

Justin Fields Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Weaknesses

• Needs to improve pocket mobility for clean launch points.
• Below-average feel for edge pressure, running himself into pressure points.
• Field vision is average in face of the blitz.
• Missed open blitz beaters in the middle of the field against Indiana.
• Gradual operation time prevents expedited release.
• Needs to release ball earlier on anticipatory throws.
• Needs to improve eye manipulation as a pro.
• Stagnant eyes invite coverage to the passing party.
• Forces receivers to slow for deep throws.
• Pet spin move as runner got him clocked against Clemson.

all the bolded are weaknesses that he still has and are directly responsible for dealing with more pressure and sacks then other QBs

I just saw this today. And u basically aside the sack footage. No analysis of the sack footage by you.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

If the Bears started the season with Love's receivers & TEs, or Stroud's receivers & TEs, the Bears would've been raked over the coals as setting Fields up for failure.

Good point on the WR's but what about the OL?

 

[dbldrew]

I just saw this today. And u basically aside the sack footage. No analysis of the sack footage by you.

No I addressed the sack footage, again 4 plays does not erase the rest of his career. Fields held onto the ball the longest of any QB this is a fact.

I really dont care to dive into another failed Bears QB debate because he will be gone next year and Williams or Maye or whoever they decide to take to replace him will be here so what's the point of debating him?

 

[run and shoot]

I just saw this today. And u basically aside the sack footage. No analysis of the sack footage by you.

No I addressed the sack footage, again 4 plays does not erase the rest of his career. Fields held onto the ball the longest of any QB this is a fact.

I really dont care to dive into another failed Bears QB debate because he will be gone next year and Williams or Maye or whoever they decide to take to replace him will be here so what's the point of debating him?

Next yr....do u mean 2024
No debate........Those 5 pocket collapses in the video was a sample of what JF goes through on a regular basis. And you know he doesn't have a center

 

[dbldrew]

Next yr....do u mean 2024
No debate........Those 5 pocket collapses in the video was a sample of what JF goes through on a regular basis. And you know he doesn't have a cente

Yes next year as in next season.

No he doesn't go through that on a regular basis, and if he did, it actually makes him look pretty stupid for holding the ball so long if the OL was as bad as you trying to say.

Good news is there is a 4 game stretch without fields.. amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?

There is no point to this, we can debate Williams or Maye soon enough.

 

[bamainatlanta]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745191130507952348

He didn't phrase it like this last year.

And the 5th year option is after the draft lol. I think we will know on April 25th.

Fields will be moved well before the draft

 

[run and shoot]

Next yr....do u mean 2024
No debate........Those 5 pocket collapses in the video was a sample of what JF goes through on a regular basis. And you know he doesn't have a center

Yes next year as in next season.

No he doesn't go through that on a regular basis, and if he did, it actually makes him look pretty stupid for holding the ball so long if the OL was as bad as you trying to say.

Good news is there is a 4 game stretch without fields.. amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?

There is no point to this, we can debate Williams or Maye soon enough.

JF doesn't even have a center. C'mon you can't be serious if you're trying to say this pressure / sackage video is a one off. The OL problems are well documented.


"Good news is there is a 4 game stretch without fields.. amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?"

Right and bagINT under pressure threw 6 INTS in those 4 games. I understand this video doesn't fit your negative view of JF.

 

[inchibearfan]

JF doesn't even have a center. C'mon you can't be serious if you're trying to say this pressure / sackage video is a one off. The OL problems are well documented.


"Good news is there is a 4 game stretch without fields.. amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?"

Right and bagINT under pressure threw 6 INTS in those 4 games. I understand this video doesn't fit your negative view of JF.

Bagent made the offensive line look much improved. Bagent is a rookie backup, he will throw picks. Not sure why the INTs matter, it makes Fields look worse when you put it this way.