Fields vs Williams comparison

[Dstone5553]

and the belief a 25yro QB can improve his weaknesses like many other QB's have in their mid-late 20's.

And many haven't.

He's easy to root for obviously or he wouldn't have so many backers. I hope he can have something click for him like many of us do, but I think if I was betting on it, I would say he doesn't change that much going forward.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

And many haven't.

He's easy to root for obviously or he wouldn't have so many backers. I hope he can have something click for him like many of us do, but I think if I was betting on it, I would say he doesn't change that much going forward.

I would actually agree with this assessment. I think he can take care of the ball better as he moves forward, but he is what he is.

What I will say, is if you put a good offensive line in front of him, give him a good tight end who can block and receive, very fast wide receivers, and run an offense similar to Baltimore, Justin Fields in that type of situation is good enough to get you to the playoffs and, depending on how good your overall team is, will win you a playoff game. His deep ball is too nice when he has time to throw, and having Fields on designed runs helps keep the pressure off of him.

The issue is the NFL coaches are too stuck in a certain way things have to be done to adapt the way Harbaugh did to Jackson, which really was a one of one situation.

Even with that said, Williams is going to end up the much better QB overall.

 

[PrideisBears]

Lol now you're making shit up.

Remember when Caleb Williams became inevitable and I embraced that inevitability rather than continuing to be a miserable **** because the Bears decided to move on and not draft the haul and keep Justin.

Who’s being miserable? You jumped on a bandwagon, congrats. I’ve never soured on Williams, I just don’t believe in hype. Why didn’t you follow Trubisky? You were literally shaking your jowls in excitement for him?

 

[Canth]

I would actually agree with this assessment. I think he can take care of the ball better as he moves forward, but he is what he is.

What I will say, is if you put a good offensive line in front of him, give him a good tight end who can block and receive, very fast wide receivers, and run an offense similar to Baltimore, Justin Fields in that type of situation is good enough to get you to the playoffs and, depending on how good your overall team is, will win you a playoff game. His deep ball is too nice when he has time to throw, and having Fields on designed runs helps keep the pressure off of him.

The issue is the NFL coaches are too stuck in a certain way things have to be done to adapt the way Harbaugh did to Jackson, which really was a one of one situation.

Even with that said, Williams is going to end up the much better QB overall.

Without trying to go down too much of a rabbit hole here, I think you are severely underrating Lamar Jackson's abilities as a passer and a QB in general. The guy is a 2 time MVP for good reason.

 

[msadows]

Without trying to go down too much of a rabbit hole here, I think you are severely underrating Lamar Jackson's abilities as a passer and a QB in general. The guy is a 2 time MVP for good reason.

Yep, Jackson has drastically grown as a passer since his rookie year.

Just chokes in the playoffs lol

 

[Chicago4Life]

Read what I wrote again.

To expect them not to give him any snaps in sub packages is kinda crazy. He's the best runner on that team. They'll prob still use him a decent chunk like the saints use Hill

with their inability to protect i dont see fields getting many snaps...the last thing they need is for fields to get hurt leaving only allen as the backup.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Who’s being miserable? You jumped on a bandwagon, congrats. I’ve never soured on Williams, I just don’t believe in hype. Why didn’t you follow Trubisky? You were literally shaking your jowls in excitement for him?

Jumped on a bandwagon by choosing to be happy and support the Bears new QB. As if it's a bad thing to support the QB.

 

[PrideisBears]

Jumped on a bandwagon by choosing to be happy and support the Bears new QB. As if it's a bad thing to support the QB.

Guess you were too in your feelings to do the same for Fields

 

[UChiLAbear]

Yea their OL is shit.

Which is why im not worried about that 4th round pick because Wilson will eventually be hurt again playing behind that OL. Fields will still get some snaps for weird wildcat packages and shit.

All he realistically needs to play is like 2 more starts to give us that pick, I cant see russ being healthy for 11 weeks.

Is the Fields trade based on how many games he starts? My thoughts are it was based on the number of snaps he was on the field. I believe that it's 50% or more snaps, then the 4th Rd. pick is valid.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Guess you were too in your feelings to do the same for Fields

Nope Justin Fields was good until he wasn't. I was excited about him heading into year two. Then it quickly became obvious that he wasn't capable of being good. That Houston Texans game in year two truly said everything that we needed to know about Justin Fields.

From there, there are Fieldsophiles absolute dead enders who still believe the Bears should have kept Fields. Even after it's become obvious that Williams better there are still those that won't give it up.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Is the Fields trade based on how many games he starts? My thoughts are it was based on the number of snaps he was on the field. I believe that it's 50% or more snaps, then the 4th Rd. pick is valid.

It's the percentage of snaps he plays.

 

[HSBOB]

And many haven't. He's easy to root for obviously or he wouldn't have so many backers. I hope he can have something click for him like many of us do, but I think if I was betting on it, I would say he doesn't change that much going forward.

Would you agree that JF has better size and athleticism than most who haven't made it? I think we'd all agree his struggles came with the mental part of the game,can that something 'click' with the mental part of his game with maturity? How much he improves if so is a question Pitt has to figure out.

 

[UChiLAbear]

If you are arguing then that 8 games started instead of 9 will yield 51% of snaps, I am not sure. Let's break down the math.

Fields has started 6 games out of 17 in the schedule. They have ran 376 offensive plays (Fields has ran 375 of them).

He actually doesn't need 51% of snaps. He needs anything over 50% Yeah I know that is nitpicking.

They have averaged 62.67 offensive snaps per game. If you extrapolate that over a 17 game season, that is 1,065.33 offensive snaps for the year.

He would need 533 total offensive snaps.

Since he already has 375, he would need another 158 snaps. And if we assume 2 more offensive games, that is the difference of 158 and 62.67 times 2. That would mean he would need to make up an additional 33 snaps in games that Russell Wilson starts.

Per game that would be 33 divided by 9 starts with Wilson or 3.67 snaps per game that Wilson starts.

Last year, Taysom Hill had 425 offensive snaps in 16 games or 26.56 snaps per game. He was an huge part in both the rushing and passing game. If we JUST look at his rushing attemps as I assume Fields would only be a part of the rushing game, then he had 81 attempts in 16 games or 5.06 attempts per game. If Fields had this volume, it would be enough to put him over the threshold. Taysom Hill is an extreme example though.

Excellent explanation! You're not knit picking, but detailing. There's a difference. I'm going to knit pick......lol.......it's 50% of the snaps + 1 play. That I believe is the contract of the trade.

 

[msadows]

Guess you were too in your feelings to do the same for Fields

Caleb is milk chocolate, Daniel doesnt support/like QB's that are full dark chocolate.

Same reason why he disliked Jayden but loved Drake Maye

 

[knoxville7]

Nope Justin Fields was good until he wasn't. I was excited about him heading into year two. Then it quickly became obvious that he wasn't capable of being good. That Houston Texans game in year two truly said everything that we needed to know about Justin Fields.

From there, there are Fieldsophiles absolute dead enders who still believe the Bears should have kept Fields. Even after it's become obvious that Williams better there are still those that won't give it up.

who??? who are these fields supporters that still would prefer to have Fields over Williams?? this list youre touting aint as long as you think it is

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Without trying to go down too much of a rabbit hole here, I think you are severely underrating Lamar Jackson's abilities as a passer and a QB in general. The guy is a 2 time MVP for good reason.

You got it backwards.

I think there are people who are severely underrating Fields as a passer. He's shown glimpses of it, but his coaches didn't use him that way, historically. In Pitt, he was hitting guys over the middle and still taking care of the ball.

If there is one place where I might be underestimating Lamar, its that I don't know how well Lamar reads the field. That area is a weakness of Justin's that I don't think will get better, but I think with the right scheme you can also minimize the impact of that because Justin is also a threat to run. I don't know how that compares to Lamar, because I haven't seen enough Ravens games while paying extra attention to that aspect.

 

[msadows]

who??? who are these fields supporters that still would prefer to have Fields over Williams?? this list youre touting aint as long as you think it is

There isnt a single poster on this board that fits that narrative lol


There are posters on here tho that think bagent is better than williams @dbldrew

 

[UChiLAbear]

Regardless of all that, he’s still a ROOKIE, and they are still NFL defenses he’s facing. Every single one of them are better than any he faced in college, by orders of magnitude.

The worst defense in the NFL, would be hands down, the best defense in college, by a wide margin.

The qualifiers come from fans and talking heads that have never played at the highest of levels the sport. But the ones with NFL experience, whether it’s former players, or former coaches, see his last 3 games as impressive, all things considered.

Absolutely no doubt about that...and by a wide margin of a wide margin....if that makes any sense.....lol

 

[UChiLAbear]

All Bear fans should be rooting for nothing but 3 & outs when Wilson is QBing the Steelers........

 

[ComeAtMeBro]

I was initially ok with both paths having been a Fields fan and seeing what Williams did in his first game against my Longhorns. Some guys just have it and he just came in and whipped our asses in a game we were dominating up until then with Rattler.

Now, I see Justin growing, albiet slowly and clamped down in that simple offense but I am glad to see him succeed. I was a little worried at our start but seeing the growth Caleb has had and not playing down to lower talent is refreshing. Easy to see he is seeing more that Justin ever did even when we should have steamrolled the opposing team. Caleb is playing faster, anticipating, using instinct, throwing guys open, rather than to just look, see them open or not and gone when he feels pressured. I also think it is easier for our guys to block for that knowing if they hold on to their assignment, they do not have to account for the QB bolting the pocket in 2 sec.
College ball is more of athletes dominating their position, easy to get open for some of those guys they had in college. Caleb seems to be adjusting to that and it is amazing to watch that growth game to game and sometimes quarter to quarter. Exciting.