Fire Del Negro

[TheStig]

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

I have two questions for anyone in favor of firing VDN.

Do you think we will be noticeably better?

Do you think we will hire someone from outside the org?

I would have to say no to both. And thats why I don't see a point unless the players really quit on him.

No & No. But the point of firing Vinny is he's failed at being a coach. It's been evident since day 1 that he doesn't have any clue how to coach a team. You can chalk some of that up to no previous experience, but he's had a whole season now & he still has no offensive or defensive scheme & his rotations downright kill momentum the majority of the time. And if you can't motivate your players to come out with a sense of urgency after 9 losses in 10 games, alot of them being blowouts, then they just aren't listening to you.


Vinny will be gone after the Celtics game. They are not going to fire him during the road trip. I'd say Bickerstaff will be coaching come Tuesday.

No one complained about his offense last year and his defense looked good to begin the year. But when you downgrade the roster and suffer a lot if injuries your going to look worn down and bad. The main problem is with JR not VDN. Phil Jackson didn't win titles because he was the best coach in the league but more so because he had the best player and great team. Phil Jackson couldn't coach this team to the playoffs so why expect VDN to. We have talent problems, not coaching problems. Furthermore, if we didn't want to give him time to develop why did we get a rookie coach? I just don't see what good will come from scape goating him. I never loved VDN as a coach but he is really one of our last probelms, he is just easiest to scapegoat.

I know I complained about it all last year. Fred too. And it's not scapegoating when you can't perform your job. And Vinny can't. The difference between Vinny coaching last year & this year is he had a very good scorer on his team who opened up the floor for players like Rose & Salmons, who are better slashing to the hoop. That's it. Vinny didn't make any adjustments other than focusing on defense which I don't even contribute to him because that Oceipka's department & the improvement of Noah & return of Deng is what really made the defense better. Vinny had little to do with that.

I don't know what team you are watching out there but Vinny is a problem. And the hiring of Vinny was an idiotic move in the first place thanks to our cheapstake owner handcuffing the former GM.

Also, leave Phil out of this. VDN couldn't even match the coaching ability of the lint in Phil's belly button.

Most of our issues are personnel and ownership. Firing VDN is like treating the common cold despite have a terminal illness. Its not what is going to kill you. Look at guys like Doc Rivers who have sucked, then got talent and then win a title. Most coaches in the league do things as poorly as vinny, only the elite ones don't. Bottom line, you just don't have the talent to compete and thinking bernie bickerstaff will fix everything is insane. Now I have no problem firing vinny but only if we bring in a big name coach, otherwise we are just creating a smoke and mirrors act.

 

[Diddy1122]

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

I have two questions for anyone in favor of firing VDN.

Do you think we will be noticeably better?

Do you think we will hire someone from outside the org?

I would have to say no to both. And thats why I don't see a point unless the players really quit on him.

No & No. But the point of firing Vinny is he's failed at being a coach. It's been evident since day 1 that he doesn't have any clue how to coach a team. You can chalk some of that up to no previous experience, but he's had a whole season now & he still has no offensive or defensive scheme & his rotations downright kill momentum the majority of the time. And if you can't motivate your players to come out with a sense of urgency after 9 losses in 10 games, alot of them being blowouts, then they just aren't listening to you.


Vinny will be gone after the Celtics game. They are not going to fire him during the road trip. I'd say Bickerstaff will be coaching come Tuesday.

No one complained about his offense last year and his defense looked good to begin the year. But when you downgrade the roster and suffer a lot if injuries your going to look worn down and bad. The main problem is with JR not VDN. Phil Jackson didn't win titles because he was the best coach in the league but more so because he had the best player and great team. Phil Jackson couldn't coach this team to the playoffs so why expect VDN to. We have talent problems, not coaching problems. Furthermore, if we didn't want to give him time to develop why did we get a rookie coach? I just don't see what good will come from scape goating him. I never loved VDN as a coach but he is really one of our last probelms, he is just easiest to scapegoat.

I know I complained about it all last year. Fred too. And it's not scapegoating when you can't perform your job. And Vinny can't. The difference between Vinny coaching last year & this year is he had a very good scorer on his team who opened up the floor for players like Rose & Salmons, who are better slashing to the hoop. That's it. Vinny didn't make any adjustments other than focusing on defense which I don't even contribute to him because that Oceipka's department & the improvement of Noah & return of Deng is what really made the defense better. Vinny had little to do with that.

I don't know what team you are watching out there but Vinny is a problem. And the hiring of Vinny was an idiotic move in the first place thanks to our cheapstake owner handcuffing the former GM.

Also, leave Phil out of this. VDN couldn't even match the coaching ability of the lint in Phil's belly button.

Most of our issues are personnel and ownership. Firing VDN is like treating the common cold despite have a terminal illness. Its not what is going to kill you. Look at guys like Doc Rivers who have sucked, then got talent and then win a title. Most coaches in the league do things as poorly as vinny, only the elite ones don't. Bottom line, you just don't have the talent to compete and thinking bernie bickerstaff will fix everything is insane. Now I have no problem firing vinny but only if we bring in a big name coach, otherwise we are just creating a smoke and mirrors act.

Well we ain't bringing in a big name coach, that's a goddamn guarantee. And I don't think Bickerstaff will do anything. I don't think anyone else does so I don't know where you're getting that from. And there is talent on this team. Everyone didn't just turn a switch & all of the sudden suck this year. This is essentially the same team as last season minus 1 piece. But you have an improved Deng & Noah & Rose starting to come into his own now & we're still getting blown out every game. There is talent on this team. Vinny just doesn't know how to use it & never did. The guy lacks a single coaching bone in his body. Guys who work in the front office do not make good coaches. It's like taking an IT guy & making him the foreman on a high-rise project.

 

[TheStig]

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

I have two questions for anyone in favor of firing VDN.

Do you think we will be noticeably better?

Do you think we will hire someone from outside the org?

I would have to say no to both. And thats why I don't see a point unless the players really quit on him.

No & No. But the point of firing Vinny is he's failed at being a coach. It's been evident since day 1 that he doesn't have any clue how to coach a team. You can chalk some of that up to no previous experience, but he's had a whole season now & he still has no offensive or defensive scheme & his rotations downright kill momentum the majority of the time. And if you can't motivate your players to come out with a sense of urgency after 9 losses in 10 games, alot of them being blowouts, then they just aren't listening to you.


Vinny will be gone after the Celtics game. They are not going to fire him during the road trip. I'd say Bickerstaff will be coaching come Tuesday.

No one complained about his offense last year and his defense looked good to begin the year. But when you downgrade the roster and suffer a lot if injuries your going to look worn down and bad. The main problem is with JR not VDN. Phil Jackson didn't win titles because he was the best coach in the league but more so because he had the best player and great team. Phil Jackson couldn't coach this team to the playoffs so why expect VDN to. We have talent problems, not coaching problems. Furthermore, if we didn't want to give him time to develop why did we get a rookie coach? I just don't see what good will come from scape goating him. I never loved VDN as a coach but he is really one of our last probelms, he is just easiest to scapegoat.

I know I complained about it all last year. Fred too. And it's not scapegoating when you can't perform your job. And Vinny can't. The difference between Vinny coaching last year & this year is he had a very good scorer on his team who opened up the floor for players like Rose & Salmons, who are better slashing to the hoop. That's it. Vinny didn't make any adjustments other than focusing on defense which I don't even contribute to him because that Oceipka's department & the improvement of Noah & return of Deng is what really made the defense better. Vinny had little to do with that.

I don't know what team you are watching out there but Vinny is a problem. And the hiring of Vinny was an idiotic move in the first place thanks to our cheapstake owner handcuffing the former GM.

Also, leave Phil out of this. VDN couldn't even match the coaching ability of the lint in Phil's belly button.

Most of our issues are personnel and ownership. Firing VDN is like treating the common cold despite have a terminal illness. Its not what is going to kill you. Look at guys like Doc Rivers who have sucked, then got talent and then win a title. Most coaches in the league do things as poorly as vinny, only the elite ones don't. Bottom line, you just don't have the talent to compete and thinking bernie bickerstaff will fix everything is insane. Now I have no problem firing vinny but only if we bring in a big name coach, otherwise we are just creating a smoke and mirrors act.

Well we ain't bringing in a big name coach, that's a goddamn guarantee. And I don't think Bickerstaff will do anything. I don't think anyone else does so I don't know where you're getting that from. And there is talent on this team. Everyone didn't just turn a switch & all of the sudden suck this year. This is essentially the same team as last season minus 1 piece. But you have an improved Deng & Noah & Rose starting to come into his own now & we're still getting blown out every game. There is talent on this team. Vinny just doesn't know how to use it & never did. The guy lacks a single coaching bone in his body. Guys who work in the front office do not make good coaches. It's like taking an IT guy & making him the foreman on a high-rise project.

If you don't think Bernie will do anything and we aren't bringing in a real coach, what the point? I don't see things changing. As far as talent, I think outside of Rose and Noah, there really is none that I would keep.

 

[Diddy1122]

God I've been repeating myself so much the past 3 days. You fire him because HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the next guy will do it better or not. That's it I rest my case.

 

[JimmyBulls]

The Bulls have a talented point guard with a limited basketball IQ in Derrick Rose. Looking long term, I don't think Vinny is the coach that can teach Rose the finer part of playing the position, or the game for that matter. But I don't think it makes a lot of sense to throw VDN overboard just yet. GarPax should let him coach the reminder of the season (for better or worse), and fire him at the end of the season.

 

[TheStig]

Diddy1122 wrote:

God I've been repeating myself so much the past 3 days. You fire him because HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the next guy will do it better or not. That's it I rest my case.

So your basically making a change just to make a change. I don't see any issue with him coaching until your ready to commit to a real coach. He is not your big problem. If he had real talent he could coach them well enough. Coaching is very realevent to the talent the team has. Doc Rivers has coached a 66 win team and a 24 win team, he didn't magically learn how to coach.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

For all of you who so vociferously are demanding the firing of one Vinny Del Negro I’d like to take the shoes off his feet and kindly ask each of you to come over and step inside them for a second.

How many of you guys have families? I’m sure some of you have a wife…2 or 3 kids…perhaps another on the way…we’re living in one of the most ominous economical times this nation has seen in ages…

Alright?

Have any of you ever made a mistake at work? How many of you have ever upset the supervisor or a co-worker? How did that go?

How would your life be if all these people at work began campaigning for you to be fired?

What would happen to you and your family if you were indeed fired with Christmas right around the corner?

Doesn't feel so great now does it?

Here’s what I’m getting at…

There are no clear indications that the head coach of this team is really going to make that big of a difference.

Vinny is trying the best he can. It’s not his fault the suits kicking back sipping champagne during the games in the suites took John Salmons and they took Brad Miller and they took Jannero Pargo and they kept Kirk Hinrich and they gave Deng 62 million dollars and they threw Ben Gordon out into the snow...

It's not his fault the Bulls drafted Derrick Rose instead of O.J. Mayo.

It's not his fault the Bulls lost to the Nets and that they lost to the Hawks and they are suddenly getting blown out by everyone in the league.

The way the nucleus of this team has been built it doesn’t matter if James Naismith walked in and assumed the head coaching responsibilities.

Until we start making some trades and we clean this house we will always and forevermore be the mediocre mess we have been ever since The Last Dance back in ‘98.

So take it easy on Vin. The head coach is not the problem. The team is.

The next time you raise a hand to demand that Vinny be fired, think about his wife and kids. Think about your wife and kids and how wonderful your job security is.

Think about when you stepped into his shoes.

 

[Dpauley23]

I not making 2 million a year so I think he can survive. I feel bad for the guy because I always liked him and thought he wasn't getting enough credit at the beginning of the year, but he should of been fired on the spot for what he said today

 

[jsain360]

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

God I've been repeating myself so much the past 3 days. You fire him because HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the next guy will do it better or not. That's it I rest my case.

So your basically making a change just to make a change. I don't see any issue with him coaching until your ready to commit to a real coach. He is not your big problem. If he had real talent he could coach them well enough. Coaching is very realevent to the talent the team has. Doc Rivers has coached a 66 win team and a 24 win team, he didn't magically learn how to coach.

But Doc also had previous coaching experience w/ Orlando, he wasn't fresh off the boat like Vinny

 

[TheStig]

jsain360 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

God I've been repeating myself so much the past 3 days. You fire him because HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the next guy will do it better or not. That's it I rest my case.

So your basically making a change just to make a change. I don't see any issue with him coaching until your ready to commit to a real coach. He is not your big problem. If he had real talent he could coach them well enough. Coaching is very realevent to the talent the team has. Doc Rivers has coached a 66 win team and a 24 win team, he didn't magically learn how to coach.

But Doc also had previous coaching experience w/ Orlando, he wasn't fresh off the boat like Vinny

So? Vinny is going to win more than 24 games if he coaches the whole year. The point is that a coy, 66 game winner and title winner can have a 24 win season. Its all about talent.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

What did Vinny say?

 

[Shakes]

The other thing that Doc Rivers reminds me of is how badly Bill Simmons used to trash talk him, even worse than people here are trash talking Vinny. Then when the Celtics got talent Simmons completely changed his tune, because the fact is having a good team makes the coach look good, having a bad team makes the coach look bad.

 

[jsain360]

Don't fire Vinny yet, he has to hold us down in the 3pt shoot out