Food Waste/Food Insecurity

[Crystallas]

Sometimes I want bacon/sausage and pancakes.... I might want to have it once every 4-6 months.... but you can't buy bacon for one meal or sausage for 1 meal or pancake mix for 1 meal.... for one person....

I run into a similar issue with wanting bacon on a few times a year. Just go to the deli and get 4-5 slices, $0.60. The meats/butcher section has breakfast sausage at a lot of grocers, also super cheap. Powdered pancake mix has a long shelf life, it's the liquid ones that expire quick.

 

[number51]

I run into a similar issue with wanting bacon on a few times a year. Just go to the deli and get 4-5 slices, $0.60. The meats/butcher section has breakfast sausage at a lot of grocers, also super cheap. Powdered pancake mix has a long shelf life, it's the liquid ones that expire quick.

What is the expiration date on PM's sent to the guy in charge of bannings? Would that be like powdered or liquid pancake mix? Because it's starting to feel like fuckyou mix.

 

[Tater]

What is the expiration date on PM's sent to the guy in charge of bannings? Would that be like powdered or liquid pancake mix? Because it's starting to feel like fuckyou mix.

Wow, what did we miss here?

 

[LordKOTL]

I am guilty of throwing away way more food than I should.... IMO part of the problem when shopping for groceries, at least for me, is that most stuff is one size fits all.... and that size is usually for a family.

Sometimes I want bacon/sausage and pancakes.... I might want to have it once every 4-6 months.... but you can't buy bacon for one meal or sausage for 1 meal or pancake mix for 1 meal.... for one person.... so I buy bacon/sausage and pancake mix and usually I will find a use for the bacon, but not the sausage so it might go bad.... the pancake mix might get used twice and then I gotta toss it by the next time I want pancakes.

Bread I try to make sure I kill, but often I just don't quite use a whole loaf before it goes bad on me.... idk why they don't have half loaves of everything, I know they are available in some instances, but not in the main brand wheat breads that I've seen.

I was really bad when I first moved into my house.... I've gotten alot better about not buying stuff I won't use, but I still wind up cleaning out my fridge of expired items every 6 months....

Dry pancake mix doesn't go bad--if you can't figure out how to make it from raw ingredients.

Bacon and Sausage freeze well. freeze in small 1-serving packs, that when you need it.

 

[AussieBear]

Dry pancake mix doesn't go bad--if you can't figure out how to make it from raw ingredients.

Bacon and Sausage freeze well. freeze in small 1-serving packs, that when you need it.

yes sir.. da freezer does wonders..

 

[Ares]

Dry pancake mix doesn't go bad--if you can't figure out how to make it from raw ingredients.

Bacon and Sausage freeze well. freeze in small 1-serving packs, that when you need it.

Breh, when I want bacon/sausage... I want it right fucking then.... no time to defrost.

Dry pancake mix has an expiration date, something in it must go bad...

Crys is right on the butcher thing tho, they definitely sell bacon at the butcher by me.... the deli at Jewel don't have bacon that I saw, but I could go to the deli counter at Randy's Meat market.

I just wish ordinary grocery shopping were a bit more flexible, so much is big family size.

As a society we need portion control..... would be nice if it began at the grocery store.... I'm dreaming I know.

 

[AussieBear]

Breh, when I want bacon/sausage... I want it right fucking then.... no time to defrost.

Dry pancake mix has an expiration date, something in it must go bad...

Crys is right on the butcher thing tho, they definitely sell bacon at the butcher by me.... the deli at Jewel don't have bacon that I saw, but I could go to the deli counter at Randy's Meat market.

I just wish ordinary grocery shopping were a bit more flexible, so much is big family size.

As a society we need portion control..... would be nice if it began at the grocery store.... I'm dreaming I know.

portion control...... food conservation... mo effeicent food usage/disposal.......food waste produces methane.. im sure peeps could use some cheap gas... anyway... you want to the reduce population numbas next?

 

[BearFanJohn]

Breh, when I want bacon/sausage... I want it right fucking then.... no time to defrost.

Dry pancake mix has an expiration date, something in it must go bad...

Crys is right on the butcher thing tho, they definitely sell bacon at the butcher by me.... the deli at Jewel don't have bacon that I saw, but I could go to the deli counter at Randy's Meat market.

I just wish ordinary grocery shopping were a bit more flexible, so much is big family size.

As a society we need portion control..... would be nice if it began at the grocery store.... I'm dreaming I know.

I was in the grocery business for a long, long time. And, yes, you are dreaming. The big ring is what they are after. Sales per customer. Its easier to stock 6 - 24oz packs than 24 - 6oz packs (extreme example, I know). Some stores will package things for you as you request. But those are likely going to be independent stores or smaller, more specialty stores. That is why we do a better than fair amount of shopping at our local butcher/seafood shop. They're out there but you have to search them out. And they aren't cheap, either, but they can't be cheap running that type of shop.

 

[Burque]

portion control...... food conservation... mo effeicent food usage/disposal.......food waste produces methane.. im sure peeps could use some cheap gas... anyway... you want to the reduce population numbas next?

Yes, reduce em by about 75 - 90%

 

[Burque]

I was in the grocery business for a long, long time. And, yes, you are dreaming. The big ring is what they are after. Sales per customer. Its easier to stock 6 - 24oz packs than 24 - 6oz packs (extreme example, I know). Some stores will package things for you as you request. But those are likely going to be independent stores or smaller, more specialty stores. That is why we do a better than fair amount of shopping at our local butcher/seafood shop. They're out there but you have to search them out. And they aren't cheap, either, but they can't be cheap running that type of shop.

They aren't cheap because you are paying actual prices for products instead of subsidized prices.

 

[Ares]

I make good money, I will pay the price for good product at my local butcher shop if need be.

 

[wab]

I got 5 people in this fuckin' house. Waste isn't really a problem.

 

[BearFanJohn]

They aren't cheap because you are paying actual prices for products instead of subsidized prices.

Huh? Elaborate, not sure I understand.

 

[Burque]

I got 5 people in this fuckin' house. Waste isn't really a problem.

A lot of larger families do not have waste problems like the TINK's and singles do.

That being said me and the wifey do pretty good not throwing out food, and are trying to do better buying more local stuff. A chest freezer has helped us as we can go to the local butcher and buy freezer packs that we would never be able to finish if we didn't freeze them and use them over the course of a couple of months.

We try to spend a little more on quality that we cook at home knowing that it is still half the price of eating out, and I have healthy leftover lunches to take to work which makes all the difference in the world as far as my weight control, mood at work, and savings on food because these days a salad at lunch is ten bucks, easily.

 

[Burque]

Huh? Elaborate, not sure I understand.

Kind of not easy to give you a total picture as it would take too long to go into that much depth so I will give you an example.

1. Cattle

Example A: You buy from a local cattle farmer that raises cattle and lets them eat grass on his farm, uses some grain that he grows to feed them a bit and always makes sure to finish them on grass only so that the E-coli situation is not an issue. His cattle are not as big as the cattle that come from a feedlot and they are not produced as quickly, he also has to put in extra work to properly grow his own feed for them or he has to pay his neighbor a reasonable price to buy the good stuff to feed the cattle so as they are raised to his personal standard. He then hires a local butcher that doesn't run the cattle through a mill like a large feedlot does and only does them for the local ranchers again, the cost per head is greater, but he is sure that his cattle are being treated as humanely as possible and that he is actually getting back the cattle he raised to sell as meat (Either that or he sells them as an entire live cow and you pay for the butcher.)

Example B: The cattle is stacked into a feedlot as tightly as possible (And acceptable per the FDA EPA or whoever controls that standard) and fed corn (Which is highly subsidized by the federal government) They are fed up as quickly as possible using hormones, and whatever other combination of food and drugs can get them to the largest size possible as quickly as possible. They are given drugs that are produced to keep the cattle "Healthy" and then they are mass slaughtered and produced into various cuts of meat that are sold to stores like walmart etc. Walmart uses its huge buying power to keep the prices as low as possible which is helped by their massive tax breaks they receive from the federal government each year. I wouldn't be surprised if Con Agra Tyson Monsanto etc are all also given massive tax breaks keeping the cost of their production rock bottom as well. In the end they are still producing beef but the Federal government has its hand in it from the start to the finish. (They have picked the winner)

So lets paint the picture: You have one cow that is produced at full price without any discounts because there is no buying power so the cost has to be higher. You have a second cow that is getting federally subsidized in the form of corn, CAFO tax breaks, and End sales tax breaks so the cost per pound if significantly lower.

The real difference is that when you buy beef that isn't subsidized you have to pay the actual cost for that beef. When you buy beef that is subsidized part of what you are buying is paid for by tax dollars. Typically the reason to pay full price for beef would be to know where it was raised, how it was raised, and how it was slaughtered. Some people are willing to pay that cost to have that piece of mind and some people cannot afford that and are looking for the best deal they can find at Wally world. Honestly I buy meat both ways at times. I think that people should at least understand that when they are buying based on price alone that they are buying a subsidized product that is subsidized in the form of tax dollars.


I hope this is clear and I didn't ramble too much.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

They sell half loaves at Walmart an sometimes Mieiers too, in the bakery section. Just bought a half loaf of pumpernickel, makes sandwiches much better, not good for toast though.
Also, if you live in a densely populated area, how can they expect people to compost? Condos/apartments have no yards.

The city delivered plastic buckets to every household and apartment or condo. About 2-3 litres in size. At apartments and condos, there are bins for food scraps. The city picks it up twice weekly, and composts it.

It is a move by the city to eliminate recyclable and reusable items from going to land fills. It's a tough change for some, a bit of a niusance, but if all did it, the benefits would be enormous.

We also have an environmental levy on things like computers and electronics. That money is used to insure those things are either recycled, or disposed of properly due to toxic contents.

 

[number51]

We also have an environmental levy on things like computers and electronics. That money is used to insure those things are either recycled, or disposed of properly due to toxic contents.

Computers and electronics are much less toxic than they used to be thanks to progressive thinkers in Europe and California. If you want to sell your product in either of those places it has to be RoHS compliant. Hopefully more States get on board, even Federal backing once things calm down in DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_of_Hazardous_Substances_Directive

Critics talk about RoHS regulation driving up product costs, they may have had a point 10 years ago, but not anymore.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Computers and electronics are much less toxic than they used to be thanks to progressive thinkers in Europe and California. If you want to sell your product in either of those places it has to be RoHS compliant. Hopefully more States get on board, even Federal backing once things calm down in DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_of_Hazardous_Substances_Directive

Critics talk about RoHS regulation driving up product costs, they may have had a point 10 years ago, but not anymore.

Let's hope so, but isn't the current admin working toward eliminating the EnergyStar standard? Does not bode well for other standards.

 

[number51]

Let's hope so, but isn't the current admin working toward eliminating the EnergyStar standard? Does not bode well for other standards.

Yeah there is going to have be a lot of clean up, literal and figurative. America seems to be in a cycle where every few years the adults have to come in and fix things.

 

[modo]

The answer is communism.

you'll never have to worry about too much food then....