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Once again, that's not what happened at all. Maybe take some people off ignore, they explained it to you and most of them are okay with retaining Fields lol.
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And here’s some scouts and GMs who think he’s the best prospect since Peyton Manning: https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/c...spects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young
It’s almost like people can just pick whichever story best suits their preferences (including pro-Williams people).
As I’ve always said, don’t let others do all your thinking for you.
It’s almost like people can just pick whichever story best suits their preferences (including pro-Williams people).
As I’ve always said, don’t let others do all your thinking for you.
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The experts are never wrong:
Colin Cowherd: “The verdict is in but people in the Midwest are nice... I’m going to be not so nice. Jordan Love is a bust. He leads the NFL in preseason picks. Third year, no growth. If I have to hear again, ‘THE NUMBERS DON’T TELL THE STORY!’ Yeah, they kind of do. 50% completion percentage in practice or against second-team defenses… ‘WELL, HE DIDN’T PLAY A LOT IN COLLEGE!’ – Kyler Murray only played a year in college, Jordan Love played parts of three years in college. Talent rises quickly, it’s not that hard to spot, you got it or you don’t. Jordan Love DID motivate Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers had back-to-back MVP seasons and there are people who have suggested that the Love pick ticked Aaron off, and that he was more focused and played better. If Jordan Love was as talented as Aaron Rodgers and they could move off Rodgers while paying this kid $8 million a year, not $50 million, and then go out on the market and buy receivers, they would…. But they can’t because it doesn’t work, and if Jordan Love could play, he could be playing... bnd he can’t, and it’s year 3, and there’s no growth. The video shows exactly what you think it shows. He can be a backup in the league, not saying that, but franchise guy or starting guy, it doesn’t look like it’s it, and we have evidence.”
Colin Cowherd Confidently Proclaims Jordan Love a 'Bust' | FOX Sports Radio
Colin Cowherd proclaimed former first-round pick Jordan Love a ‘bust’, as the 23-year-old about to enter his third NFL season is underwhelming in a preseason that was supposed to be his first chance at extended reps.foxsportsradio.iheart.com
1. Of course experts are wrong sometimes. This isn't a science.
2. Colin Cowherd is from from an expert. He's a media personality who gives his opinion.
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It’s crazy how many Bears fans who spent the last 3 years screaming “stop making excuses for Fields” have spent the past season making excuses for a guy who isn’t even on the team yet. There are red flags and the media hype machine has brainwashed everyone to thinking this guy is Peyton Manning with Mahomes’ improvization.
He’s an awesome prospect and would be #1 most years but holy shit has this thing entered a different realm of scrotum shining by one side and unwavering scrutiny by the other.
I hope he’s the one that finally ends the Bears QB curse just so this obnoxious qb discourse can take a break for a decade.
we need to embrace the NFLs first openly *** QB and support him through the ups and downs.
He’s an awesome prospect and would be #1 most years but holy shit has this thing entered a different realm of scrotum shining by one side and unwavering scrutiny by the other.
I hope he’s the one that finally ends the Bears QB curse just so this obnoxious qb discourse can take a break for a decade.
we need to embrace the NFLs first openly *** QB and support him through the ups and downs.
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Why are you so concerned?
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I think the key take away here is that he is a “former“ NFL scout meaning no team is paying him today for his analysis.
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I’m not but I can see you have no value in discussing anything else. There are other threads for you to do this in
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So you can’t listen to him!!! You have to listen to MEEEE!!! Who has NEVER been paid for their football analysis!!!
That said, the guys QB rankings seem like a troll job lol
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You’re right. He does have the generational ability to hold the ball longer than even Justin Fields. A rare trait and quality that may not be rivaled for decades to come.
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Please no. He would work in SF like Purdy has but not in Chicago.
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If they draft a QB i preferred Maye.
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Good post, we need lots of blue-chip players sooner than later. One rookie QB won't do it.
Get all the picks you can.
My dream is flip #1 to Washington for their splash pick with local kid, Flip that # 2 pick to Kraft and Pats for
Maye and their after BB splash, take MHJ at # 3 and draft a bunch of studs with all the picks.
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He got extended another year. Fact!
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Colin is a blowhard idiot, trying for controversy and clicks.The experts are never wrong:
Colin Cowherd: “The verdict is in but people in the Midwest are nice... I’m going to be not so nice. Jordan Love is a bust. He leads the NFL in preseason picks. Third year, no growth. If I have to hear again, ‘THE NUMBERS DON’T TELL THE STORY!’ Yeah, they kind of do. 50% completion percentage in practice or against second-team defenses… ‘WELL, HE DIDN’T PLAY A LOT IN COLLEGE!’ – Kyler Murray only played a year in college, Jordan Love played parts of three years in college. Talent rises quickly, it’s not that hard to spot, you got it or you don’t. Jordan Love DID motivate Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers had back-to-back MVP seasons and there are people who have suggested that the Love pick ticked Aaron off, and that he was more focused and played better. If Jordan Love was as talented as Aaron Rodgers and they could move off Rodgers while paying this kid $8 million a year, not $50 million, and then go out on the market and buy receivers, they would…. But they can’t because it doesn’t work, and if Jordan Love could play, he could be playing... bnd he can’t, and it’s year 3, and there’s no growth. The video shows exactly what you think it shows. He can be a backup in the league, not saying that, but franchise guy or starting guy, it doesn’t look like it’s it, and we have evidence.”
Colin Cowherd Confidently Proclaims Jordan Love a 'Bust' | FOX Sports Radio
Colin Cowherd proclaimed former first-round pick Jordan Love a ‘bust’, as the 23-year-old about to enter his third NFL season is underwhelming in a preseason that was supposed to be his first chance at extended reps.
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Using terminology > Understanding terminology
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As someone who has just started watching All-22 film on Williams, I don't have super strong opinions on him yet, but from what I have seen, I do think most of these concerns are extremely stupid and no one should pay attention to this "former NFL scout."
I'm not so sure that Williams regressed so much as his team regressed. When a QB knows his offense is going to have to score 50 points to win a game, that puts a lot of pressure on him to make big plays over and over again, and trailing by multiple scores late in a game is a situation where a QB should more take risks and therefore have worse efficiency numbers.
2. NFL Expectations ⎯will be crazy high. The expectations alone will cause him to be a bust.
This is just dumb. #1 overall picks always have extremely high expectations, and historically QBs drafted #1 overall are the statistically least likely to bust.
3. Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
The difference between watching All-22 on Fields and watching All-22 on Williams is that when Fields is holding on to the ball for a long time, you see lots of guys getting open that Fields misses, and when Williams is holding on to the ball for a long time, you see none of his first 3 reads coming open.
4. Glorifed system QB ⎯I did an independent study this season, Williams’ best completion percentages came throwing 44-62% short passes. His three worst games (55.9%-57.5%) were fewer short passes.
WTF is this even supposed to mean? Every QB has a higher completion percentage on shorter passes. Also, Williams isn't throwing screens and checkdowns all game, so how is this a criticism?
5. Not a big game QB ⎯Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Back to the needing to score 50 points a game to win issue. This is not the QB's fault.
6. Fumbles ⎯ 32 fumbles in 36 games.
Finally, a legitimate criticism. Williams tends to hold the ball too low, which leads to a lot of fumbles. Then again, Favre and Rodgers also held the ball low and got away with it. Definitely a legitimate concern and area for improvement.
7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
I haven't watched that game yet so I can't comment, but one game does not make a pattern.
8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.
This is wrong. This is Mahomes in 2017 all over again where people said he was a backyard football player who can't play within a structure despite the fact that Mahomes was quietly very good at playing within the system when the blocking was there and guys were getting open. Same thing with Williams. I've seen Williams hang in the pocket and get the ball to his third read on time and on target. Just from very limited watching, I can already tell you that Williams has absolutely shown on film that he can play within structure.
9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”
Oh no he cares about winning and hates being in a situation where he isn't able to make the playoffs.
10. Holiday Bowl ⎯USC bounced right back (same offensive line and defense) against No. 15 Louisville with QB Miller Moss who was making his first career start and he matched Williams’ USC high of six touchdown passes in a game.
Relying on one game sample sizes is stupid. This whole analysis is stupid. This guy is an idiot who no one should pay any attention to.
Concerns
1. Downward trajectory ⎯Williams regressed in 2023.I'm not so sure that Williams regressed so much as his team regressed. When a QB knows his offense is going to have to score 50 points to win a game, that puts a lot of pressure on him to make big plays over and over again, and trailing by multiple scores late in a game is a situation where a QB should more take risks and therefore have worse efficiency numbers.
2. NFL Expectations ⎯will be crazy high. The expectations alone will cause him to be a bust.
This is just dumb. #1 overall picks always have extremely high expectations, and historically QBs drafted #1 overall are the statistically least likely to bust.
3. Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
The difference between watching All-22 on Fields and watching All-22 on Williams is that when Fields is holding on to the ball for a long time, you see lots of guys getting open that Fields misses, and when Williams is holding on to the ball for a long time, you see none of his first 3 reads coming open.
4. Glorifed system QB ⎯I did an independent study this season, Williams’ best completion percentages came throwing 44-62% short passes. His three worst games (55.9%-57.5%) were fewer short passes.
WTF is this even supposed to mean? Every QB has a higher completion percentage on shorter passes. Also, Williams isn't throwing screens and checkdowns all game, so how is this a criticism?
5. Not a big game QB ⎯Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Back to the needing to score 50 points a game to win issue. This is not the QB's fault.
6. Fumbles ⎯ 32 fumbles in 36 games.
Finally, a legitimate criticism. Williams tends to hold the ball too low, which leads to a lot of fumbles. Then again, Favre and Rodgers also held the ball low and got away with it. Definitely a legitimate concern and area for improvement.
7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
I haven't watched that game yet so I can't comment, but one game does not make a pattern.
8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.
This is wrong. This is Mahomes in 2017 all over again where people said he was a backyard football player who can't play within a structure despite the fact that Mahomes was quietly very good at playing within the system when the blocking was there and guys were getting open. Same thing with Williams. I've seen Williams hang in the pocket and get the ball to his third read on time and on target. Just from very limited watching, I can already tell you that Williams has absolutely shown on film that he can play within structure.
9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”
Oh no he cares about winning and hates being in a situation where he isn't able to make the playoffs.
10. Holiday Bowl ⎯USC bounced right back (same offensive line and defense) against No. 15 Louisville with QB Miller Moss who was making his first career start and he matched Williams’ USC high of six touchdown passes in a game.
Relying on one game sample sizes is stupid. This whole analysis is stupid. This guy is an idiot who no one should pay any attention to.
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So we should wait until the media and fans aren't terrible before drafting a QB?
Interesting approach.
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