Fred, this is an article for you to go to war on!

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

Air P, you're bar showed the opposite of what you wanted.

Salmons:
<or=10: 28 games
10.1-20: 40 games
20.1+: 11 games

Kirk:
<or=10: 35 games
10.1-20: 14 games
20.1+: 2 games

BG:
<or=10: 28 games
10.1-20: 38 games
20.1+: 16 games

notice also that BG played ALL 82 games yet again. don't even try to throw scoring stats at us about BG.

With this statistical representation, you just showed that Salmons is a suitable replacement for Gordon, numbers are damn near identical...

 

[charity stripe]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

Air P, you're bar showed the opposite of what you wanted.

Salmons:
<or=10: 28 games
10.1-20: 40 games
20.1+: 11 games

Kirk:
<or=10: 35 games
10.1-20: 14 games
20.1+: 2 games

BG:
<or=10: 28 games
10.1-20: 38 games
20.1+: 16 games

notice also that BG played ALL 82 games yet again. don't even try to throw scoring stats at us about BG.

With this statistical representation, you just showed that Salmons is a suitable replacement for Gordon, numbers are damn near identical...

But i thought you don't use stats, what is the saying of Vin Scully? You like to watch games only. Why would you use stats now?

 

[Bullsman24]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

+1 for charity stripe :woohoo:

 

[Diddy1122]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

I'm sick of hearing Salmons is a replacement for BG. How can anyone even know this? The guy is gonna be 30 next season, has only had 1 good year, 1/2 of which was played on a shitty team & the other 1/2 on a team with Rose & BG. He's not particularly quick or athletic, is nowhere near the clutch shooter that BG is, & is still unproven at the 2 position since he's played the majority of his career at SF. He's not the replacement, he's the filler. And he could do well in that role, but he's not replacing BG. He's a stop-gap between BG & a 2010 FA like Wade. If the Bulls extend Salmons contract when he's 31 for BG-type money, I will be super pissed.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

They will not sign him for BG money, believe me.

ut i thought you don't use stats, what is the saying of Vin Scully? You like to watch games only. Why would you use stats now?

I didn't present the stats, just analyzed them. I already said that Salmons is okay as the starting SG, didn't use stats, just watched the games.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

They will not sign him for BG money, believe me.

ut i thought you don't use stats, what is the saying of Vin Scully? You like to watch games only. Why would you use stats now?

I didn't present the stats, just analyzed them. I already said that Salmons is okay as the starting SG, didn't use stats, just watched the games.

Yes but your assessments only take one game so I am not sure how much stock I could put into them.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

If you don't know why Gordon is gone, then you just don't get it. No matter how many games you watch. I wanted Gordon coming off the bench, guess what they are saying he might do in Detroit? He will not start ahead of Hamilton, I don't see that happening.

 

[Diddy1122]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

If you don't know why Gordon is gone, then you just don't get it. No matter how many games you watch. I wanted Gordon coming off the bench, guess what they are saying he might do in Detroit? He will not start ahead of Hamilton, I don't see that happening.

BG was better than Rip in every statistical category last season except assists (Rip had BG +1 in that category) so I wouldn't be so quick to annoint Rip the starter. With the way Dumars has been taking apart this team, I think there's a really good chance Rip is on a different team come next season. Rip is part of the old Pistons, this is the new Pistons, & I don't see him really being a part of that.

Not to mention I don't think Dumars is going to pay a player $11mill to ride the bench. He's not the Bulls Front Office you know.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

Rip wants to start. They better trade him if they don't want to start him. It will create a problem if he does not start.

 

[dunkside.com]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

If you don't know why Gordon is gone, then you just don't get it. No matter how many games you watch. I wanted Gordon coming off the bench, guess what they are saying he might do in Detroit? He will not start ahead of Hamilton, I don't see that happening.

you know, you can defend JR and paxson all you want. you can even marry them for all i care.
and i agree with you that you shouldn't pay gordon more than 9 mil/year (just like the bulls shouldn't have paid more than 8 for hinrich or 9 for deng).

but what pisses me off is the hypocrisy:

the bulls front office kept saying keeping gordon was a priority. yet, they didn't even make an offer: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4302507

imo, if you SAY resigning him is a priority, then act accordingly.
if you don't plan on keeping him, just say so or at least keep your f**king mouth shut. they are just deceiving their fans with this bullshit attitude. and this is why i think JR and the gang are basically just a bunch of jerks and assholes.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

If you agree that the Bulls shouldn't pay BG more than 9mil, then what are you bitchin about?

They offered him 10mil per a couple of years ago, he turned them down....why?

He thought he should be the highest paid player on the team.

He should have signed that contract, the dumbass is BG and his agent. He should have signed last year, right away.

He got bad advice from the agent and winded up leaving, on bad terms, that is his fault.

Quit blaming Reinsdorf for not spending dumb money. It makes no sense...

 

[Bullsman24]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

ok, if detroit's offering BG 11 a year, OBVIOUSLY he did better by waiting...you can't call his decisions a fault if the outcome benefits him...and obviously what gordon wanted to be was the highest paid out of the core on the 07 bulls, but you are trying to make it seem like he wanted 15 mil. i think we all know what he meant...and he deserved to be payed more than deng as well, i'd feel disrespected too.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

The Bulls did a good job of offering BG good money. Like Gilbert Arenas said at the time, if you think you are worth more than that, you should get punched in the face.

If he waited 2 years for an extra mil a year, he is a dummy. He could have gotten hurt and lost out on 50mil. Same with Deng.

 

[charity stripe]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls did a good job of offering BG good money. Like Gilbert Arenas said at the time, if you think you are worth more than that, you should get punched in the face.

If he waited 2 years for an extra mil a year, he is a dummy. He could have gotten hurt and lost out on 50mil. Same with Deng.

Joe Dumars said Ben Gordon was worth 58 million. Joe Dumars is a hall of fame basketball player and has been around the game for decades. He won championships as a player and as a GM. How dare you question such a man.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

Joe Dumars said Ben Gordon was worth 58 million. Joe Dumars is a hall of fame basketball player and has been around the game for decades. He won championships as a player and as a GM. How dare you question such a man.

You are not serious. Paxson played with the greatest player ever, and won 3 championships as a player and another as an assistant coach, and he says Gordon is not worth that money. How dare you question HIM...

and by the way I bet the farm Paxson takes Melo over Darko.

 

[Bullsman24]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

he never said he doesn't want to pay gordon, just management wouldn't offer him the money.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

He actually said that Salmons and Hinrich would do, if you want to get specific. That is what was reported. I think Paxson offered what he felt was market value.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

Joe Dumars said Ben Gordon was worth 58 million. Joe Dumars is a hall of fame basketball player and has been around the game for decades. He won championships as a player and as a GM. How dare you question such a man.

You are not serious. Paxson played with the greatest player ever, and won 3 championships as a player and another as an assistant coach, and he says Gordon is not worth that money. How dare you question HIM...

and by the way I bet the farm Paxson takes Melo over Darko.

Paxson hasn't come close to sniffing a title as a gm. Dumars put together a team of misfits and had them win a title and make the conference finals six years in a row. Seriously, you can't compare their resumes as GM's. One is one of the top ones in the league and the other has yet to prove anything besides building a continual first round failure.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

Paxson hasn't come close to sniffing a title as a gm. Dumars put together a team of misfits and had them win a title and make the conference finals six years in a row. Seriously, you can't compare their resumes as GM's. One is one of the top ones in the league and the other has yet to prove anything besides building a continual first round failure.

Dumars is overrated. Point blank. Larry Brown is the principal reason those teams won championships. But again Dumars has made some dumb decisions. Including one seriously dumb decision in the draft.

In essence, you'll advocate the pleasantries of the devil himself if it supports your keep BG argument. He is gone, get over it. Paxson would tell you the same thing.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Fred, this is an article for you to go to war o

houheffna wrote:

Paxson hasn't come close to sniffing a title as a gm. Dumars put together a team of misfits and had them win a title and make the conference finals six years in a row. Seriously, you can't compare their resumes as GM's. One is one of the top ones in the league and the other has yet to prove anything besides building a continual first round failure.

Dumars is overrated. Point blank. Larry Brown is the principal reason those teams won championships. But again Dumars has made some dumb decisions. Including one seriously dumb decision in the draft.

In essence, you'll advocate the pleasantries of the devil himself if it supports your keep BG argument. He is gone, get over it. Paxson would tell you the same thing.

Larry Brown wasn't there for all 6 conference finals appearence and every gm makes mistakes. Larry was only there 2/6 conference finals teams and hasn't made the playoffs since. I think you overrate Brown. Outside of Detroit, he had a finals run with AI in a weak EC and didn't do all that much with a loaded Spurs team. You beloved Pax traded Aldridge for TT. No one is perfect and they had decent rationale to take Millic. They didn't have minutes for a another player and they took him as a project because he had excellent athletic ability he just never put it together. Ask any GM in the league and he would pick Dumars over Pax. I don't really care what Pax would say, I was never really impressed with any of his actions outside of his first two drafts and signing Noc the first time.