Freidman for Cubs GM

[Chris J]

but still fisch what Friedman had done is much more impressive to me. He took a team from worse in the league to a world series and a consistent .500team. Keep in mind the Rays have the SECOND smallest payroll. the Yankees have the HIGHEST payroll and red sox have the THIRD HIGHEST. whats more impressive:
building a winning team with 42million or building a team with $175million?

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Give him that 150+ million to work with..

Whether its MLB payroll.. or a shitload to draft with.

 

[Chris J]

Thank you. If a guy can build a good team with 42million im pretty sure he can do it with the cubs payroll.

 

[nwfisch]

Jim Hendry could build a competitive team with the Cubs payroll too.

 

[Rice Cube]

Jim Hendry could build a competitive team with the Cubs payroll too.

He did.

 

[nwfisch]

I'm not questioning Friedman's ability to build a competitive team. :lol:

My point is, even if the Cubs hire a relative unknown, I think it still provides the Cubs a great opportunity to win.

 

[Rice Cube]

I was talking about Jim Hendry.

 

[nwfisch]

I was talking about Jim Hendry.

I know, I think people believe I'm anti-Friedman, but that's not the case. I think hiring an assistant whose relatively proven, from BOS, NYY, PHI, TX, or Rick Hahn would provide the Cubs with a great if not better chance to win then hiring Epstein or Friedman.

 

[Rice Cube]

I don't think you're anti-Friedman. But at the same time I don't think idle speculation is going to be much better than looking at what's been done by each candidate.

Cashman = lots of playoffs and World Series
Epstein = lots of playoffs and not as many World Series
Friedman = a couple playoffs, no World Series wins but he got there which is more than we can say about the Cubs
Beane = lots of playoffs, a tad unlucky in the playoffs though

You look at that, not some mystical "I think this assistant guy will do better than this guy who's actually done something with his poor team"...my opinion anyway.

 

[nwfisch]

I don't think you're anti-Friedman. But at the same time I don't think idle speculation is going to be much better than looking at what's been done by each candidate.

Cashman = lots of playoffs and World Series
Epstein = lots of playoffs and not as many World Series
Friedman = a couple playoffs, no World Series wins but he got there which is more than we can say about the Cubs
Beane = lots of playoffs, a tad unlucky in the playoffs though

You look at that, not some mystical "I think this assistant guy will do better than this guy who's actually done something with his poor team"...my opinion anyway.

I don't know how much Cashman is GM, as much as he's the guy who puts paychecks in players lockers :lol:

I believe hiring from a winning organization is important.

 

[Rice Cube]

I don't know how much Cashman is GM, as much as he's the guy who puts paychecks in players lockers :lol:

I believe hiring from a winning organization is important.

So hire the guy who actually makes the decisions if he's available.

 

[nwfisch]

So hire the guy who actually makes the decisions if he's available.

Epstein shouldn't have been hired by Boston then?

 

[Rice Cube]

Epstein shouldn't have been hired by Boston then?

They tried to hire Billy Beane first. When he refused, they hired Epstein from within. What you seem to be suggesting is that the Cubs shouldn't even bother talking to the three AL East GMs and instead hire Randy Bush since he hasn't had a chance to fail yet. It is true that before they were hired, guys like Epstein and Friedman had no success, but they also came with a lot of intelligence and good ideas. You're not just hiring the person, you're hiring the ideas. And the best thing to do in my view is to hire the guy who actually generated the ideas that turned into success in the first place rather than one of his minions who hopefully learned by osmosis.

 

[nwfisch]

They tried to hire Billy Beane first. When he refused, they hired Epstein from within. What you seem to be suggesting is that the Cubs shouldn't even bother talking to the three AL East GMs and instead hire Randy Bush since he hasn't had a chance to fail yet. It is true that before they were hired, guys like Epstein and Friedman had no success, but they also came with a lot of intelligence and good ideas. You're not just hiring the person, you're hiring the ideas. And the best thing to do in my view is to hire the guy who actually generated the ideas that turned into success in the first place rather than one of his minions who hopefully learned by osmosis.

I want someone from the Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, or Rangers organizations.

 

[Rice Cube]

I want someone from the Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, or Rangers organizations.

So get the guy at the top who's running the show if he's available first. If not, then there's nothing wrong with trying to poach one of their capable assistants.

 

[nwfisch]

So get the guy at the top who's running the show if he's available first. If not, then there's nothing wrong with trying to poach one of their capable assistants.

My belief is that none of them will leave, and I'm just prepping people on here who'll say ZOMG we didn't the big 3, the new GM is worse than Hendry.

 

[Rice Cube]

My belief is that none of them will leave, and I'm just prepping people on here who'll say ZOMG we didn't the big 3, the new GM is worse than Hendry.

We really know nothing at this point so even the "who will be the best GM" thing is speculative. It would be a disservice for the Ricketts to not even try to poach one of the so-called "Big Three" though, which is what they should focus on first while dealing with the capable assistants on the side. I'm sure they can multitask accordingly, I mean, there ARE four Rickettseseses, right?

 

[nwfisch]

We really know nothing at this point so even the "who will be the best GM" thing is speculative. It would be a disservice for the Ricketts to not even try to poach one of the so-called "Big Three" though, which is what they should focus on first while dealing with the capable assistants on the side. I'm sure they can multitask accordingly, I mean, there ARE four Rickettseseses, right?

And on the other hand, it would be a disservice to just overpay for one of the "Big Three" just so fans aren't disapointed.

 

[Rice Cube]

And on the other hand, it would be a disservice to just overpay for one of the "Big Three" just so fans aren't disapointed.

They might get $3-$4MM tops in a year, which is a bit more than Epstein is making this year. Cashman makes $2MM-ish a year on the richest team in baseball. Friedman makes probably less, but I'm guessing it's still in the $1.5MM range. $3-$4MM per year for the new Cubs GM is probably pushing it. Given how much free agents make, I don't think overpaying for a GM is going to be that major of a problem in the grand scheme of things, especially if that GM knows how to build a team.

 

[X]

I want someone from the Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, or Rangers organizations.

Why not the Giants? Cardinals? White Sox? Marlins? Diamondbacks? Angels? They've all won the 'ship in the last decade.

There's just not a correlation.