FYI Gruden will be holding a presser

[Adipost]

“Aaron Donald got signed, they don’t have a quarterback that has been redone yet. I think the Bears made this trade, Trubisky is still on his rookie deal. It’s tough to have 2 players that are the highest paid, arguably, or close to the highest paid at their positions.”

 

[Adipost]

Raider nation is talking about how Mitch better turn out to be something special but I have the same thoughts about Carr. Yes he's shown some great talent and ability but now he's gotten a MASSIVE contract and has no weapons. They have no defense. If anybody is in a position to succeed it's Mitch. Better weapons and IMO a better offensive coaching staff. Plus having a top tier defense helps the offense as well. Less points given up, not always playing from behind, more turnovers, etc.

Derek Carr is the reason they are in this situation. Not only did they have to pay him, they had to invest massive resources into the offense around him because of his flaws. They pretty much need an all pro at every offensive line position, including back ups, for Carr to be successful. When you pay a QB top dollar, he better make the offense better around him to make up for the salary. But it’s the other way around with Carr.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Gruden has been a train wreck.

-signed every old dude he could
-traded a 3rd round pick for a WR he cut
-trades the teams best player
-drives the bus over his GM 10x

The decision to not re-sign Mack isn't all on Gruden. I think it's pretty clear this was made my the organization as a whole.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Some people on here wanted him to be our next Head Coach after Lovie, after Trestman, and after Fox. Lol.

I always said he was overrated.

 

[Adipost]

Some people on here wanted him to be our next Head Coach after Lovie, after Trestman, and after Fox. Lol.

I always said he was overrated.

Gruden seems like he was blindsided by this situation. I think he offered the most the team could afford. It sounds like the very last thing he wanted to do was to trade Mack. But as the season approached, he really had no other choice. He made it clear that this wasn’t on him when he said the Raiders offer was no where near the Bears offer, and that he wasn’t even in on the negotiations.

That press conference he basically said he was fucked and had no other options. People assumed that Gruden was being egotistical and playing hardball with Mack, but it doesn’t sound like that was the case at all from that press conference.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Gruden seems like he was blindsided by this situation. I think he offered the most the team could afford. It sounds like the very last thing he wanted to do was to trade Mack. But as the season approached, he really had no other choice. He made it clear that this wasn’t on him when he said the Raiders offer was no where near the Bears offer, and that he wasn’t even in on the negotiations.

That press conference he basically said he was fucked and had no other options. People assumed that Gruden was being egotistical and playing hardball with Mack, but it doesn’t sound like that was the case at all from that press conference.

I’m not making my statement using tunnel vision on the Mack decision. It’s the offseason in a whole.

 

[Doubledown]

Making Ditka look like a road scholar

 

[Enasic]

Gruden seems like he was blindsided by this situation. I think he offered the most the team could afford. It sounds like the very last thing he wanted to do was to trade Mack. But as the season approached, he really had no other choice. He made it clear that this wasn’t on him when he said the Raiders offer was no where near the Bears offer, and that he wasn’t even in on the negotiations.

That press conference he basically said he was fucked and had no other options. People assumed that Gruden was being egotistical and playing hardball with Mack, but it doesn’t sound like that was the case at all from that press conference.

I’m not buying it. With the way the NFL cap is you could make a deal work and structure it in a way to keep a future HoFer and best player on your team. Gruden was on record saying their defense wasn’t that good even with mAck...and while somewhat true, why on earth would you say that? There’s no need. Plus he’s running a 4-3 and Mack fits better in a 3-4. Gruden has always wore out his welcome and rubbed players the wrong way. He’s a very difficult person to work with and he lets his ego and stubbornness get in the way.

 

[Newblood]

The decision to not re-sign Mack isn't all on Gruden. I think it's pretty clear this was made my the organization as a whole.

No one in that organization didn't want to sign Mack, but someone had to come to the hard realization that they didn't have the resources to give Mack what he wanted.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

No one in that organization didn't want to sign Mack, but someone had to come to the hard realization that they didn't have the resources to give Mack what he wanted.

Agreed. There's also the fact that Pace dealt exclusively with Reggie McKenzie throughout the negotiation process.

 

[AussieBear]

It's a win-win for both teams. Well, that is If Mack continues to mack and if the Raiders hit on their picks.....then hit in FA with the added cap room.

All the old ass vets they went out and signed are stopgaps. They will help build a culture and help the Raiders be competitive in the mental arena. Will that lead to playoffs right away? It depends on Carr I suppose, but those vets will at least keep them in games.... in theory.

If Mitch develops and gets paid 150-200 mil, do people actually think the bears would spend another 150-200 mil on a single defender? Gruden was correct, he pointed out the obvious, teams like the Rams and Bears have their QB on rookie deals still. In the scheme of things, and going by the CCS logic, you have to have a franchise QB. In doing so, you must pay said QB eventually, and it's usually at the cost of other players needing bigly deals. Unless you have a guy like Tom Brady; a man who is willing to take lesser deals in the name of the team. It also helps his wife has bank.

ANYWAY....

Even the Mack deal will have its immediate effects, it'll probably cost Goldman or Amos, unless they take hometown deals. It may also be one of the factors that leads to not extending Leonard Floyd in the future as well. Especially if Roquan shows something in the next 2 years.

 

[truthbedamned]

It's a win-win for both teams. Well, that is If Mack continues to mack and if the Raiders hit on their picks.....then hit in FA with the added cap room.

All the old ass vets they went out and signed are stopgaps. They will help build a culture and help the Raiders be competitive in the mental arena at the very least. Will that lead to playoffs right away? It depends on Carr i suppose, but those vets will at least keep them in games.... in theory.

If Mitch develops and gets paid 150-200 mil, do people actually think the bears would spend another 150 mil on a single defender? Gruden was correct, he pointed out the obvious, teams like the rams and bears have their QB on rookie deals still. In the scheme of things, the CCS logic, you have to have a franchise QB. In doing so, you must pay said QB eventually, and it's usually at a cost of other players needing bigly deals. Unless you have a guy like Brady, a man who is willing to take lesser deals in the name of the team. It also helps his wife has bank.

ANYWAY....

Even the Mack deal will have its affects next year, it'll probably cost Goldman or Amos, unless they take hometown deals. It may also be one of the factors in not extending Leonard Floyd in the future as well. Especially if Roquan shows something in the next 2 years.

You must be drunk. I understood what you are saying.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Gruden seems like he was blindsided by this situation. I think he offered the most the team could afford. It sounds like the very last thing he wanted to do was to trade Mack. But as the season approached, he really had no other choice. He made it clear that this wasn’t on him when he said the Raiders offer was no where near the Bears offer, and that he wasn’t even in on the negotiations.

That press conference he basically said he was fucked and had no other options. People assumed that Gruden was being egotistical and playing hardball with Mack, but it doesn’t sound like that was the case at all from that press conference.

I agree. He was visibly deflated. The presser was not what I was expecting at all. I was expecting him to take ownership of everything.

 

[Calabis]

I recommend he uses a Kevlar vest.

Lmao

 

[Newblood]

Agreed. There's also the fact that Pace dealt exclusively with Reggie McKenzie throughout the negotiation process.

I don't doubt that, but Gruden has the last say in personel decisions. I fully expect that he signed off on McKenzie doing the deed and even ordered it.

Gruden isn't stupid, and obviously knew it was a move that would piss off the fan base, but that it had to be done. And he showed he was willing to throw his GM under the bus, so why would he have any qualms about sending McKenzie to do the dirty work and try to devorce himself of it as much as possible?

Is it all on Gruden? No. But I believe he was being coy in his involvement and knowledge of the situation.

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

They couldn’t afford him long term. The Bears could. It’s that simple.

I regret drafting Matt Stafford in my FF league now.

I agree. That simple. Plus, if you’re them, who do you keep? Obviously the QB, that’s why he got paid. Whether you think he’s a franchise quarterback or not, Gruden thinks so and he secured him by paying him. QB is the number one position in football. Glad we have ours on a rookie deal.


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[Godzilla]

I really think Gruden did everything he could to keep Mack. His phrase "we'll be hearing about this till the cows come home" shows he knows it's a huge loss IMO.

 

[modo]

Making Ditka look like a road scholar

 

[ursamajor]

Making Ditka look like a road scholar

Rhodes Scholar.


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[TexasBearfan]

“Aaron Donald got signed, they don’t have a quarterback that has been redone yet. I think the Bears made this trade, Trubisky is still on his rookie deal. It’s tough to have 2 players that are the highest paid, arguably, or close to the highest paid at their positions.”

I was thinking about that and we had Peppers at the same time as Cutler, granted Peppers was on the way down and not highest paid or anything but ...it's not impossible. This is why you see Belichick jettison guys who are about to get paid and he just makes it work.