Gabriel has said he'd be a mistake.

[WindyCity]

There's probably no better slot WR available. I'll give you that. Though I could argue Albert Wilson (more separation, better RAC, similar catch rate)

But if you think it's fair to ask me to name better WRs while you make the caveat that the best 2 don't count, then I don't know what to tell you.

The issue with comparing Wilson and Landry is that Wilson was the 4th most targeted pass catcher and was playing with guys you have to double team in Kelce and Hill.

Landry was the most targeted and the guy that defenses focused on stopping.

Put Wilson in Miami and I think you would see a sharp decline in his effectiveness as he would draw more defensive attention and have worse QB play.

 

[WindyCity]

All that shows is that Landry had less variance in where his passes were thrown. Lions at least took some deep shots with Tate.

The Dolphins did not take many deep shots with Cutler playing at all, he was really bad. Every single WR had a decline in yards per catch from 2016 to 17.

The year previous Landry had 12 plays of 25+ yards.

 

[satchice]

There's probably no better slot WR available. I'll give you that. Though I could argue Albert Wilson (more separation, better RAC, similar catch rate)

But if you think it's fair to ask me to name better WRs while you make the caveat that the best 2 don't count, then I don't know what to tell you.

So, you agree he is the best WR that is likely to be available, but you think it is a mistake to take the best. I assume you think it is a better option to pay a couple tier 2 or 3 average #2 - #4 WRs and roll the cap savings over?

 

[rawdawg]

The Dolphins did not take many deep shots with Cutler playing at all, he was really bad.

The year previous Landry had 12 plays of 25+ yards.

Explain Kenny Stills then. And I'm not necessarily talking about deep shots, just passes more than 10 yards.

 

[rawdawg]

So, you agree he is the best WR that is likely to be available, but you think it is a mistake to take the best. I assume you think it is a better option to pay a couple tier 2 or 3 average #2 - #4 WRs and roll the cap savings over?

No. I think Richardson, Marqise Lee, and others are better (like potential cuts like E Sanders). And yes, I think it's better to pay a couple average #2 WRs than pay Landry because that's exactly what he is for the price of a #1.

 

[Bearin' Down]

What mental health issues?

It isn't #1 money.

Clearly, undiagnosed. And I disagree on the amount.

 

[WindyCity]

Explain Kenny Stills then. And I'm not necessarily talking about deep shots, just passes more than 10 yards.

That is all he does.

His role is to run the deep routes, but he lost 3 yards per catch from 2016-2017. That is almost the exact same number as Landry

Stills 17.6-14.6
Landry 12.1-8.8
Parker 13.3-11.8

Everyone took a hit with Cutler.

 

[WindyCity]

No. I think Richardson, Marqise Lee, and others are better (like potential cuts like E Sanders). And yes, I think it's better to pay a couple average #2 WRs than pay Landry because that's exactly what he is for the price of a #1.

You are assuming that Richardson and Lee are going to be #2s for you and they are going to not cost you 8-10 million/season.

The problem with paying average is that if they fail to meet that standard we are essentially flushing 2018 as a developmental year for Trubisky.

 

[iueyedoc]

Allen Robinson and Sammy Watkins are better and as available as Landry is right now.
.

What?
Watkins didn't even reach 40 catches in either of the last 2 seasons and Robinson is coming off of a torn ACL.

 

[WindyCity]

No. I think Richardson, Marqise Lee, and others are better (like potential cuts like E Sanders). And yes, I think it's better to pay a couple average #2 WRs than pay Landry because that's exactly what he is for the price of a #1.

You are being too protective of cap space.

If Landry is 15% better than Richardson what does it matter if you pay him 5 million more? He is better.

 

[rawdawg]

The issue with comparing Wilson and Landry is that Wilson was the 4th most targeted pass catcher and was playing with guys you have to double team in Kelce and Hill.

Landry was the most targeted and the guy that defenses focused on stopping.

Put Wilson in Miami and I think you would see a sharp decline in his effectiveness as he would draw more defensive attention and have worse QB play.

That's all hypothetical. And you can't prove teams focused on stopping Landry. More than likely they focused on stopping Stills and Parker from getting passes behind the defense, and focused on having 11 guys run to the ball to tackle Landry for a short gain....which by all statistical accounts, they did.

 

[rawdawg]

You are assuming that Richardson and Lee are going to be #2s for you and they are going to not cost you 8-10 million/season.

The problem with paying average is that if they fail to meet that standard we are essentially flushing 2018 as a developmental year for Trubisky.

I'm not assuming anything. You are inferring that from what I typed which has nothing to do with a random # ranking or cost.

 

[WindyCity]

That's all hypothetical. And you can't prove teams focused on stopping Landry. More than likely they focused on stopping Stills and Parker from getting passes behind the defense, and focused on having 11 guys run to the ball to tackle Landry for a short gain....which by all statistical accounts, they did.

You can admit that Wilson had better QB play and had less attention playing with 2 Pro Bowl players?

 

[WindyCity]

I'm not assuming anything. You are inferring that from what I typed which has nothing to do with a random # ranking or cost.

You said sign a couple #2 guys and based on their careers both Lee and Richardson are a stretch to be considered that.

 

[rawdawg]

That is all he does.

His role is to run the deep routes, but he lost 3 yards per catch from 2016-2017. That is almost the exact same number as Landry

Stills 17.6-14.6
Landry 12.1-8.8
Parker 13.3-11.8

Everyone took a hit with Cutler.

GIve you that. First non-hypothetical argument you've made.

 

[rawdawg]

You said sign a couple #2 guys and based on their careers both Lee and Richardson are a stretch to be considered that.

Two different statements. He brought up 2 #2 vs. a #1. My whole point is that Landry isn't a #1 in the first place. So, yes if Lee and Richardson are 2s and Landry is the 1 in question, I go for the 2s.

 

[WindyCity]

GIve you that. First non-hypothetical argument you've made.

We are all throwing around hypothetical comparisons.

But I have given you the numbers,

-14 million is not elite money
-Landry's per target production is very similar to Adams and Jeffery over their careers.

 

[WindyCity]

Two different statements. He brought up 2 #2 vs. a #1. My whole point is that Landry isn't a #1 in the first place. So, yes if Lee and Richardson are 2s and Landry is the 1 in question, I go for the 2s.

Then you are crossing your fingers and hoping that they match this seasons production and do not revert to the averages of their careers.

In Richardson's case you are also hoping he stays healthy.

You are talking about 2 players with next to no career consistency. Both could go full Markus Wheaton on us.

 

[WindyCity]

I know I am overpaying Jarvis Landry, I am okay with over paying him.

I need someone who can be relied upon to just produce. We cannot afford another Markus Wheaton. That is wasting a year of Trubisky's development.

The 5-6 million in cap space does not concern me as much as seeing Trubisky chuck the ball to a bunch of bums.

 

[Luke]

Paul Richardson will he the high priced Markus Wheaton this year.