Game 3 IGT Blackhawks at Red Wings (Tied 1-1) 5/20/13 6:30 PM CT

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DMelt36

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This happens all the time in football. Bill Arnsparger will take 11 white guys on defense and have them go 14-2 on the 1984 Miami Dolphins, then when they reach the Super Bowl and lose big to the superior Bill Walsh 49ers, people want to say "Arnsparger was outcoached by Walsh"...when in reality, it was quite the coaching achievement for Arnsparger to have had the Dolphins defense in the Super Bowl to begin with.

IMO, this year's Blackhawks team isn't that much different than the teams of the past two years. The team has the same strengths and weaknesses, and the overall talent level hasn't improved that much. I think Quennville did a great job of having his team perform above their ability in the regular season...but now because of this, people expect the Blackhawks to kind of breeze through the playoffs when they aren't that much stronger this year than in year's past. Its like they are holding Quennville's excellent coaching against him, as in "Q was outcoached by Babcock because there is no way the Hawks should lose to the Red Wings".

I think the Hawks team defense was way, way better this season and the emergence of that 3rd line made them a much deeper team than in the past.

Unfortunately, both of those factors have pretty much disappeared in the last two playoff games. Two losses resulted.
 

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No, the chances wernt there. Your whole debate is trying to point out the shot accumulation the Hawks made yet fail to comprehend the Hawks took low percentage shots, mostly with defenseman in front of Howard. 40 shots means nothing if either Howard can see it, or the defenseman can scoop up the rebound, and even then Howard stopped and covered most of the night. Toews also got three of those 7 shots on one of his telegraphed wrap around attempts he always seems to do every single game. I counted maybe four decent scoring chances last night and every single time the defense of the Wings balled them out. With a team with as much high end skill as the Hawks that's unacceptable.

Q hasn't given me any reason to have faith in him. He has never beaten Bab's in a playoff series and is showing, yet again, he is out numbered in the brain department one to none when they go head to head. Bab's right now is coaching the Hawks. He's telling them to be emo and try and out hit his Wings when that's not the game the Hawks play and is doing a rather impressive job working two benches while Q stands there with Tampon wondering why the Hawks PP is a complete joke.

There was nothing questionable about the Shaw call. He was draped all over Howard. That gets called 10 times out of 10.

Well, somebody better tell Q to have a team meeting and smarten them up a bit if that's gonna happen. Because right now the Hawks are on the ropes and don't look like the team that started the year head and shoulders that much better then everybody else.

Our definitions of scoring chances must be different then. I saw plenty of opportunities for the Hawks to dent the net on Monday night. They hit the post three separate times. Yeah, Toews does go to that wrap-around a lot but I fail to see how that's a bad idea when it frequently leads to a mad scramble in front of the net. It's better then skating from behind the net to the edge of the faceoff circle and firing a bad-angle shot. And while you discard the Corsi ratings as a "flawed statistic," the fact that five Detroit players were in double digits on the negative side while five Hawks were double digits on the other end tells me that the Hawks were controlling the puck for large periods of time. Detroit's top defensive pairing were the ones with the worse rating. You really think Detroit's D corps is going to play that much better than their putrid regular season performance for an entire 7-game series? You don't think that sustained possession of the puck is going to lead to more chances and more goals, as it did in Game 1?

If Detroit does that, I'll tip my cap and congratulate them on a nice series. But forgive me if I'm not exactly terrified of guys like Brendan Smith and Kyle Quincey manning the Wings' blue line.

Q's had ONE playoff series against Babcock, and that was with an inferior roster at the time. And, yeah, Babcock is a great coach. I just said that. You're beating a dead horse here.

Hawks are "on the ropes" in a 2-1 series? Gimme a break. Win Game 4 and this series is fully in Chicago's favor.



Sure, when playing a bottom feeder. In the playoffs, not so much.

Yes, even in the playoffs. Superior ability can trump the best coaching performances. That happens in every spot, no matter when the game happens.
 

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I think the main point here is that I believe some of you are already declaring the Wings as victors of this series when I believe that the Wings have played far beyond their abilities in the last two games and could very easily come crashing back down to earth in Games 4-7.

And if they prove me wrong, I'll say again, I'll tip my cap to the Wings on a nice performance. I'm not writing off either team at this point.
 

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Our definitions of scoring chances must be different then. I saw plenty of opportunities for the Hawks to dent the net on Monday night. They hit the post three separate times. Yeah, Toews does go to that wrap-around a lot but I fail to see how that's a bad idea when it frequently leads to a mad scramble in front of the net. It's better then skating from behind the net to the edge of the faceoff circle and firing a bad-angle shot. And while you discard the Corsi ratings as a "flawed statistic," the fact that five Detroit players were in double digits on the negative side while five Hawks were double digits on the other end tells me that the Hawks were controlling the puck for large periods of time. Detroit's top defensive pairing were the ones with the worse rating. You really think Detroit's D corps is going to play that much better than their putrid regular season performance for an entire 7-game series? You don't think that sustained possession of the puck is going to lead to more chances and more goals, as it did in Game 1?
Not with the way the Hawks are playing, no. And say what you want about the Wings defense, but right now they are out playing the Hawks forwards, a forward group that has as much skill as anybody in the league. If the Wings are playing a strict defensive scheme and playing a team game, they look pretty damn good. If the Hawks keep playing like they have been, amassing a bunch of low percentage shots while there always seems to be at least three Wings back every time they rush the puck, the percentage of a quality chance diminishes just on numbers alone. You saw for a few minutes in the third how the Hawks tried to open it up, and right there Bab's saw his team couldn't keep up, and that stopped once there was a stoppage. The Hawks got lucky in the first game of this series on account of they played a tired Wings team. After rest and Bab's had the time to install his game plan, the Hawks have looked pathetic. That's all on Q, who never seems to adapt in game and just plays his lines hoping to catch lighting in a bottle every shift instead of making changes on the fly. If Bab's, and he isn't stupid, is the coach dictating how both teams play, and no offense, he has been the last two games, the Hawks wont win. Q doesn't have the intelligence Babcock has and its as clear as day. This will be Q's biggest test to another Cup as I don't see any team outside of the Bruins who could give this team a problem and the problem against the Wings is between Q's ears. Babcock knows how to coach, its as simple as that.
If Detroit does that, I'll tip my cap and congratulate them on a nice series. But forgive me if I'm not exactly terrified of guys like Brendan Smith and Kyle Quincey manning the Wings' blue line.
You don't have to be. I would be more worried about how Babcock utilizes them instead of how they actually play on the ice.
Q's had ONE playoff series against Babcock, and that was with an inferior roster at the time. And, yeah, Babcock is a great coach. I just said that. You're beating a dead horse here.
Babcock is a better coach then Q, end of. Even with a half way stacked team this year Q is puppy dog eyed and over his head against possibly one of the crappiest Dead Things team in a long time. Why? Babcock.
Hawks are "on the ropes" in a 2-1 series? Gimme a break. Win Game 4 and this series is fully in Chicago's favor.
Lose game four, asnd the Hawks are done. On the ropes, indeed.
Yes, even in the playoffs. Superior ability can trump the best coaching performances. That happens in every spot, no matter when the game happens.
Tell that to the Sharks and Habs. Or better yet, tell that to the Hawks and Q, I mean, if that was the case, the team that was almost unbeatable during the regular season should be closing out the series against a mediocre Wings team tomorrow. Why aren't they, again? I mean, if Corsi says they are dominating.....



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I get it, Babcock is outcoaching Q. Good for him.

The Hawks played like total shit in Game 2. They played better in Game 3. They'll need to be better to win Game 4.

Still don't give a **** how Babcock uses them, bad players are bad players. Detroit's defense is still prime to be exploited by the Hawks forwards because I still don't believe they're going to play a whole series with shitting the bed.

For ****'s sake, three days between games is too long.
 
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