Game 4 IGT: Chicago Bulls vs Cleveland Cavs (Bulls lead series 2-1) 2:30PM CDT ABC

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Well as I've said in this thread, Niko, Dunleavy making more of their shots and we win by double digits. You could probably say the same about the Cavs though in their 3 point misses.

But yeah, the Bulls need to expose the hell out of Irving wherever he is on the court. If Dunleavy can't do it, need to put Snell in there a lot quicker as he can actually drive to the hoop. The idea will be to force Irving into a really tough situation. Basically what the Detroit Pistons did to Ben Gordon in the 2007 Semifinals. They abused the shit out of him.
The easiest way to expose Kyrie is to run a lineup where he has to guard Niko. Niko can just post him until they start doubling. Run the whoever offense on Kyrie. He couldn't guard a chair before...he probably can't guard a rock now.
 

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The easiest way to expose Kyrie is to run a lineup where he has to guard Niko. Niko can just post him until they start doubling. Run the whoever offense on Kyrie. He couldn't guard a chair before...he probably can't guard a rock now.
Which also makes me wonder how Thibs didn't adjust to that in game. Grant Dunleavy and Niko had poor games, so it probably wouldn't have mattered, but still just didn't seem like the Bulls were really taking advantage.
 

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Another thing a lot of people are making a big deal of how the Bulls haven't taken advantage of Cleveland's injuries.

They haven't watched this team all season. We play down to our opponents.
 

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Which also makes me wonder how Thibs didn't adjust to that in game. Grant Dunleavy and Niko had poor games, so it probably wouldn't have mattered, but still just didn't seem like the Bulls were really taking advantage.
They did run some plays for Dunleavy, but Dunleavy missed all the catch and shoots so, what can ya do? Everything in that game is woulda, coulda, shoulda. If anything had gone one way or the other, one team probably wins by 10.
 

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I kinda do yes ,yeh you look at the stats he scored loads of points but so what?? bottom line we lost ,he is the most influential player on the court ,he holds the ball more then anyone else ,he is the point guard ,the "brains" of the team ,the decision maker for what goes on...Now if you look at this from this perspective what do you see? Did we play like an organized team yesterday? was their good balance of possession between players? Did we share the ball enough? we had a disgraceful amount of assists (only 12 !!) ,we wasted time on offence resorting to last minute shots way too many times..this is the face of a losing scared team ,overall Thibs is responsible but on the court i'm looking for my main man which is Rose ,and he didn't deliver leadership nor brains yesterday.

The way i see it every time a PG scores more then 20 points and has less then 5 assists he isn't' doing his job.

Rose did his job. He scored and did his thing, let Jimmy run it and do his thing, and hit open guys. I'm going off memory here, but I believe Dunleavy was 1-7, Taj 2-7, Snell 3-7, and Niko 1-9. Niko had shots where there was a huge gap between him and the closest defender and he kept bricking. Rose did his half, his teammates have to come through on the other half.

As for leadership, he's never been that guy and we just need to accept that. Overall I thought he was great. Definitely looked like the best guy on the court that game.
 

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Kind of sucks that Blatt didn't have that technical called against him for trying to call a TO after Rose tied the game.


But they were able to catch and put that extra second on the clock so Lebron could get a shot off.
 

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I kinda do yes ,yeh you look at the stats he scored loads of points but so what?? bottom line we lost ,he is the most influential player on the court ,he holds the ball more then anyone else ,he is the point guard ,the "brains" of the team ,the decision maker for what goes on...Now if you look at this from this perspective what do you see? Did we play like an organized team yesterday? was their good balance of possession between players? Did we share the ball enough? we had a disgraceful amount of assists (only 12 !!) ,we wasted time on offence resorting to last minute shots way too many times..this is the face of a losing scared team ,overall Thibs is responsible but on the court i'm looking for my main man which is Rose ,and he didn't deliver leadership nor brains yesterday.

The way i see it every time a PG scores more then 20 points and has less then 5 assists he isn't' doing his job.



Yeh, I kind of do, think your a moron.
 

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Btw it looks like Irving now has a hamstring and hip injury in addition to his foot injury.

If that is the case, this series has just basically become LeBron and his 3 point shooters vs the Bulls.

if Bulls lose this series then a big shake up is in order...if they can't beat a Cavs team with No Love, a injured Kyrie and a subpar LeBron (for his standards) then its no chance they ever will
 

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if Bulls lose this series then a big shake up is in order...if they can't beat a Cavs team with No Love, a injured Kyrie and a subpar LeBron (scoring wise) then its no chance they ever will
Pretty much. For the first time in many years, we are the healthier team. If we can't kick Lebron while he's down...it's over.
 

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Everyone in the 2nd half was dead.

Not JR. Smith. It's been the same story with Dunleavy and Niko all series. And Dunleavys a starter. He didn't have a bad game 3. I think he was 3/5 but it was a quiet 3/5 and kind of non descript, as it was also a small sample size. Nothing yesterday.

As much as people complained about Bogans, he didn't go 1/9 because he didn't take that many shots. And his defense was reliable. People talk about playing 4 on 5 because they're not happy with Noahs offense but it's really been 3 on 5 and at least Noah brings defense and rebounding. What's Dunleavy bringing to the table.

All of Chicago's so called perimeter shooters have been outperformed by about 3 guys on Cleveland. And Sumpert is one of those three. During game 2, whenever the Bulls would cut into their lead, Shumpert hit multiple threes to pour cold water on any comeback. His shooting in that single game is more significant than anything the Bulls perimeter shooters have done so far.

Honestly, Rose and Butler have been the best 3pt shooters. They've hit big threes but have contributed in other ways too, obviously. But they've also kind of played within themselves with the 3s. And if they have taken more than they should have, it's likely because Dunleavy has no showed.

Dunleavy and Niko combined for 2/16 yesterday. Imagine how much it would have impacted the game if they make two --or even one--more 3 within the 16 shots they took. And had they made two more shots, they would have still only been at 25% combined, which is also pathetic. Nevertheless the Bulls likely win the game if they only shoot 25% instead of their 12.5%.

And if they don't hit open shots, which the largely were, Cleveland can clog the paint.

The Bulls have largely outplayed the Cavs but the series is tied because Cleveland has had role players contribute outside shooting when it mattered and the Bulls haven't.
 

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The problem is, the Bulls can't close. They had an excellent third quarter, all the momentum heading into the fourth and couldn't score for the first 4 minutes. It was awful.


The whole 4th quarter they were out of sync.
 

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Kyrie's MRI revealed a strained foot and knee tendinitis. Hopefully Gasol plays and we go at Irving.
 

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The easiest way to expose Kyrie is to run a lineup where he has to guard Niko. Niko can just post him until they start doubling. Run the whoever offense on Kyrie. He couldn't guard a chair before...he probably can't guard a rock now.

That exposes him for not being as tall as Niko, but how does that expose his bad ankle? Being posted up means he's running less and putting less pressure on the foot.
 

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That exposes him for not being as tall as Niko, but how does that expose his bad ankle? Being posted up means he's running less and putting less pressure on the foot.
Who cares as long as we score points? He's probably not a threat to go off for 30 again, but he's still going to get his minutes. It's not really about running Kyrie into the ground, it's about getting easy baskets.

But I suppose if you really want to focus on the foot, it does take some pressure on your foot to guard someone in the post if you make an attempt to body up. Or you can work from the high post and face up and beat him off the dribble that way.
 

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Who cares as long as we score points? He's probably not a threat to go off for 30 again, but he's still going to get his minutes. It's not really about running Kyrie into the ground, it's about getting easy baskets.

But I suppose if you really want to focus on the foot, it does take some pressure on your foot to guard someone in the post if you make an attempt to body up. Or you can work from the high post and face up and beat him off the dribble that way.


"Some pressure?" Lol

What lineup puts Kyrie on Niko?
 

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"Some pressure?" Lol

What lineup puts Kyrie on Niko?
Idk why you're dismissing it. If your foot hurts, it hurts. Doesn't matter if you're chasing someone around a screen or trying not to check pushed out of the way.

The hated jumbo lineup would get Kyrie on Niko.
 

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Idk why you're dismissing it. If your foot hurts, it hurts. Doesn't matter if you're chasing someone around a screen or trying not to check pushed out of the way.

The hated jumbo lineup would get Kyrie on Niko.

What jumbo lineup. Who is at 1-3?

And if it's a jumbo lineup, are you willing to have all the taller players far enough away from the basket so so it's harder for someone to give Kyrie help? And even if you do that guys are going to sag back to give help instead of respect Noah and Taj from 3.

I don't see this working out well as much as you seem to think. You could maybe get an occasional easy one.
 

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What jumbo lineup. Who is at 1-3?
The jumbo lineup is basically Noah/Gasol/Taj at the 4 and 5 and Niko at the 3. Butler and Rose still at 2-1
 

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if Bulls lose this series then a big shake up is in order...if they can't beat a Cavs team with No Love, a injured Kyrie and a subpar LeBron (for his standards) then its no chance they ever will

Can't win when fear takes over. It's obvious they don't believe in themselves.
 
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