Garza Rumors: Boston/NYY

[DewsSox79]

•Also from Gammons, he doesn't think Boston will trade a number of prospects for a starter like Matt Garza in order to solve its lack of rotation depth

update per mlbtr

 

[dabynsky]

update per mlbtr

Also the fact that Boston's prospects aren't that good might prevent them from trading for an actual upgrade in the rotation.

 

[nickofypres]

I wonder if Boston would be interested in Ed Jackson?

 

[DewsSox79]

Also the fact that Boston's prospects aren't that good might prevent them from trading for an actual upgrade in the rotation.

right, because garza is going to bring in ALL top prospects.

 

[Rice Cube]

right, because garza is going to bring in ALL top prospects.

You'd at least like to get a couple mid-tier prospects for him, but after the Cubs stupidly traded the farm for Garza, I don't think they're just going to give up right away and flip Garza for mid-tier prospects. So Garza most likely sticks around.

 

[DewsSox79]

You'd at least like to get a couple mid-tier prospects for him, but after the Cubs stupidly traded the farm for Garza, I don't think they're just going to give up right away and flip Garza for mid-tier prospects. So Garza most likely sticks around.

:clap:

once again, a very level headed response from you. hopefully i can get you some type of CCS award!

 

[DewsSox79]

Hak-Ju Lee Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

damn he is tearing it up.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

it definitely was not the smartest trade but hopefully long term garza can be a key pitcher for this team

 

[waldo7239117]

Lee is tearing it up but again it's only High A. Garza will stick around because JH won't get as much as they should because they gave up a ton.

However, I was pissed the Cubs traded Lee. I wanted him to play in the big leagues with the Cubs.

 

[Rice Cube]

it definitely was not the smartest trade but hopefully long term garza can be a key pitcher for this team

The Garza trade is good if you're a contending team who needs those one or two extra wins to get over the hump. It's incredibly stupid when 75+2 = 77 and that's not nearly enough even in a craptacular division to get to the postseason. Not to mention that he'll get older and more expensive by the time you're ready to contend. Which is why I was angry for a solid month after that trade.

If they were to trade anyone, they should try to get Dempster and Zambrano out to free up cash (don't expect much in the way of prospects). Garza is good as a younger, decent pitcher but people who think that this team can realistically contend, even if they sign Prince Fielder and try to snag some of the better free agents from this coming offseason, might be advised not to hold their breaths for too long.

 

[waldo7239117]

Garza is a good pitcher but for the package the Cubs gave up, I think they coulda got a better pitcher.

 

[Rice Cube]

Garza is a good pitcher but for the package the Cubs gave up, I think they coulda got a better pitcher.

As shitty as he's pitched this year, they could've gotten Zack Greinke. But Greinke probably would've denied the trade...he chose wisely to go to Milwaukee, who have a better chance to contend.

 

[dabynsky]

right, because garza is going to bring in ALL top prospects.

Right because I should expect the Cubs to trade Garza for the Red Sox best prospect which is a SS with the amazing slash line of .227/.275/.245 and a fielding percentage of .967. Sorry my position has been pretty consistent throughout this discussion. If the Cubs can't get back what they gave up to get Garza there is no reason to trade him right now. The Red Sox don't have those prospects because they dealt them to get Adrian Gonzalez (better ones than the Cubs gave up).

And as we've discussed before there is no starting pitching on the market right now. The only guy that seems to be actually on the market is Edwin Jackson. You are a smart guy here it isn't always just about the performance of the player. It is also about what else is available to a number of contenders that need starting pitching.

 

[Rice Cube]

As shitty as he's pitched this year, they could've gotten Zack Greinke. But Greinke probably would've denied the trade...he chose wisely to go to Milwaukee, who have a better chance to contend.

I guess he hasn't really pitched shitty when you look at the peripherals but man has he given up a ton of runs.

 

[waldo7239117]

As shitty as he's pitched this year, they could've gotten Zack Greinke. But Greinke probably would've denied the trade...he chose wisely to go to Milwaukee, who have a better chance to contend.

Also, there's no way Greinke can stand his anxiety disorder with the Cubs. Too much pressure. Or maybe offer maybe one more player and try to trade for King Felix.

 

[dabynsky]

Hak-Ju Lee Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

damn he is tearing it up.

I love Hak-ju Lee, but lets look a little closer shall we. Here is the OPS by month:
April 1.220
May .790
June .770
July .645

I thought Lee was the best player in the trade at the time, and I still think that. But Lee is still several years away from reaching the major league level, and lets wait a little bit to see if he ever hits like he did in April again.

 

[Rice Cube]

Also, there's no way Greinke can stand his anxiety disorder with the Cubs. Too much pressure. Or maybe offer maybe one more player and try to trade for King Felix.

Greinke would've been fine. He's weird but at worst he would've just told the media to go to hell or something. Which they all should :lol:

 

[waldo7239117]

Greinke would've been fine. He's weird but at worst he would've just told the media to go to hell or something. Which they all should :lol:

I like the media because of all the rumors they get (When they are right, is not a lot for that matter). So yeah they can go to hell. I honestly think they're ruining the game, not only in baseball but all sports.

 

[DewsSox79]

Also, there's no way Greinke can stand his anxiety disorder with the Cubs. Too much pressure. Or maybe offer maybe one more player and try to trade for King Felix.

OK

 

[nwfisch]

OK

You look at Sully and Kap, they could make anyone nuts.