Gas Prices

[R K]

which one of us is which?

 

[Pez68]

You guys are are so easily amused, at least to me.



Your whole rants are predicated upon a belief that does not exist. I never said the POTUS has direct cost control. You are welcome to believe what you want to believe. If you want me to respond in kind you will need to research what I did say. Heck, please quote it for all to see.



It really is becoming irrelevant since in another week we will vote Obama out of office....

No, you continue to insinuate this administration's policies are what is driving the cost of gasoline up. If that is true, why were gasoline prices HIGHER under the Bush administration? I refuted every point cpl brought up in regards to the cost of oil/gas in this country, and he disappeared. You were noticeably absent from that discussion as well. As you typically are when proven wrong. The same way you ignore Romney's comments about high gas prices, and how people should "get used to them".



How, exactly, have Obama's policies influenced the price of gasoline in this country?

 

[IceHogsFan]

No, you continue to insinuate this administration's policies are what is driving the cost of gasoline up. If that is true, why were gasoline prices HIGHER under the Bush administration? I refuted every point cpl brought up in regards to the cost of oil/gas in this country, and he disappeared. You were noticeably absent from that discussion as well. As you typically are when proven wrong. The same way you ignore Romney's comments about high gas prices, and how people should "get used to them".



How, exactly, have Obama's policies influenced the price of gasoline in this country?

So quote me in here where I have stated such.

 

[Pez68]

I just don't get Obama............. I really do not. Gas prices are nearing record highs, more then double since he took office three years ago and what does he do yesterday? He demonizes the gas and oil companies and the profits they are making. Yes folks, that is his answer as to how we are going to lower costs in the time of a recession. Again he was spouting green energy as the answer as if it is magically going to happen tomorrow.



As I have asked before, who can tell me what his energy plan is?

So you are saying that if the POTUS and Congress wanted to move ahead with bringing more refineries online that they are powerless to do so?



One of the greatest ideas I had heard that has never been acted upon was building refineries on closed military installations.

And the part that nobody gets is where are we headed? They ***** and moan of where we are with prices but then just throw their hands up in defeat and take it rather then asking the serious questions. Questions like, what is our national energy plan? What are we doing to address issues today? Where does the government see us in a year, three years, ten years? I get railed for my dislike of Obama but it is reasons such as his position on green energy that I distrust him. It's a damn the torpedo's philosphy with no back up plan at least from I have seen. Does anyone really think with his green energy platform that he cares about the cost today or even the next four years?



And anyone who does not think the federal government does not get involved in cost is ignorant. All you have to do is look at fuel mixes, EPA issues, federal gas taxes, etc. to see they are also a direct component in the cost per gallon we pay. And there is a monumental difference between the government regulating and the government running a commodity.

Obama proposal would rein in oil speculation



Washington (CNN) -- Under pressure to bring down the high price of gas, President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder will outline a proposal Tuesday to increase federal supervision of the oil markets in an effort to clip the wings of speculators who are profiting off the volatility of the oil market.

The president's $52 million plan would let regulators force energy traders to put more of their own money into trades and boost the penalties on manipulators who are found to be speculating unlawfully, according to a senior administration source who would not comment on the record in advance of the president's remarks.

The president will call on Congress to:

• boost spending on technology to improve oversight and surveillance of energy markets.

• increase by six times the money spent on surveillance and enforcement staff of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to better deter oil market manipulation.

• increase from $1 million to $10 million civil and criminal penalties against firms that engage in market manipulation.

• in an effort designed to limit energy market disruptions, give the Commodity Futures Trading Commission authority to increase the amount of money that a trader must put up to back a trading position.

The Obama administration plans to increase access to the commission's data so the White House Council of Economic Advisers can examine and analyze trading information, which the administration can do on its own.

This effort is likely to be seen as a political move designed to draw contrasts with the Republican Party and especially presumptive presidential nominee Mitt Romney on energy issues. House Republicans are unlikely to pass a measure that seeks to impose more limits on Wall Street at a time when they are seeking to limit regulations on the finance industry. At the same time, Republican leaders are calling on the White House to open more domestic land for oil and gas exploration.

The White House is pinpointing Wall Street for the high price of gas, which could afford the president an opening to criticize Romney and his ties to the world of high finance.



http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

At what time during the election cycle does Obama decide to strategically release some of the strategic oil reserves?

Barrel at $90.12 today





Gallon here $3.88



Average gallon Obama took office $1.85

Nothing is ever Obama's fault. That was statement early on and it is still relevant. Everything that happens under his watch is a reflection of policies, regulations and vision that he and his staff control. Is Obama directly responsible for gas prices, no. Do some research and you will see that his policies are hostile to the gas and oil industry. Green energy would be good to Google.



Let me make a point from a different perspective. What is Obama and his administration doing to lessen the cost to consumers for this staple while in a period of economic uncertainty?

Again, what has Obama done to increase the price of gasoline since he took office? What isn't he doing, that Romney, or whoever the **** else you support, IS going to do, when he gets in office? Did you not READ ROMNEY'S QUOTE about high gas prices? He WELCOMES them. But he's going to be the guy that finally addresses the price gouging that is happening by gasoline being traded as a commodity? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Phew, that is a good one.

Romney said, according to the Quincy Patriot Ledger’s report at the time. “I’m very much in favor of people recognizing that these high gasoline prices are probably here to stay.

 

[R K]

Holy Shit! Now that's a follow up! Go **** yourself!

 

[Pez68]

Sorry, he asked for the quotes. Well, there they are.

 

[R K]

Honestly other than the pipeline across the US and the developing more fossil fuel of our own, I don't see much where he's been the problem. That debate on Fossil Fuel exploration and expansion was far previous to Obama and will go on long after he is gone.



Should they or shouldn't they. Well at the time of the BP Fiasco in the Gulf NO ONE was for expanded OIL production in the US, as most were watching the disaster in the Gulf day after day.



Any one ever wonder what all those chemicals they put into the Gulf, dispersing and dissolving the OIL have done? Mysteriously you hear none of that.



In the Chicago area specifically our OIL spiked twice with NOTHING to do with Obama this year. One was the Pipeline in Wisconsin being shut down due to leak and the other the Refinery issue. I know both of those were Obama as well.

 

[R K]

It's easy to slam Obama for those that have political agenda's and some of it is deserved. But to grasp everything under the sun, especially things not possibly in his control is pretty assinine. I blast Romney because of his stance on NOTHING. He has flip flopped on every issue out there. One minute he's against something and sometimes, the same day, he's for it. But that is mysteriously ignored by those with Political Agenda because they just can't stand the guy there now.



This really is for the other thread I suppose.



Add term limits to Congress and curb the massive fucking money thrown at these elections and ALL elections and maybe things will change. Don't and it will be status quo for both sides a majority of the time.

 

[Pez68]

Everything I've seen in regards to domestic consumption says we don't need more refineries, more fossil fuel exploration, or more oil in this country. I don't see the point in expanding just so the oil companies can send more oil to China...

 

[R K]

And I don't disagree other than the monies we are giving to Canada could be used refining/producing our own, and employing our own in doing so. Thus cutting trade money going out, verses staying in.



My problem with Obama is the 90 Billion he's spent on alternative energies that have amounted to nothing. I know, maybe some day they will but all he's done is make Gore ridiculously wealthy.

 

[Pez68]

And I don't disagree other than the monies we are giving to Canada could be used refining/producing our own, and employing our own in doing so. Thus cutting trade money going out, verses staying in.



My problem with Obama is the 90 Billion he's spent on alternative energies that have amounted to nothing. I know, maybe some day they will but all he's done is make Gore ridiculously wealthy.

Agreed.



Also agreed on the 90 billion basically just thrown into the garbage. Alternative energy is great..... when you find something that is actually viable. Until then stop throwing our fucking money away. Still no different than what previous administrations have done with their pet projects.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Sorry, he asked for the quotes. Well, there they are.

As much as you think "You Got Me" you are actually proving my point. Nowhere in there do I say that Obama controls the price of gas.



Go ahead, reread. Just because I derail Obama on his energy plan and on what can be done to help lower gas prices you take that as me saying he directly sets prices. It is not there.



While I appreciate your efforts

and the time you spent quoting me you fail to prove your point of me stating Obama controls gas prices.

Holy Shit! Now that's a follow up! Go **** yourself!

Read what I posted to Pez. His dislike of me and your dislike of my stance on Obama overshadow your thought process.



It's okay though come mid January 2013 Obama will have nothing to do with enerygy, regulation, prices or anything of the sort.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Everything I've seen in regards to domestic consumption says we don't need more refineries, more fossil fuel exploration, or more oil in this country. I don't see the point in expanding just so the oil companies can send more oil to China...

I wonder where you read that?

 

[Pez68]

As much as you think "You Got Me" you are actually proving my point. Nowhere in there do I say that Obama controls the price of gas.



Go ahead, reread. Just because I derail Obama on his energy plan and on what can be done to help lower gas prices you take that as me saying he directly sets prices. It is not there.



While I appreciate your efforts

and the time you spent quoting me you fail to prove your point of me stating Obama controls gas prices.





Read what I posted to Pez. His dislike of me and your dislike of my stance on Obama overshadow your thought process.



It's okay though come mid January 2013 Obama will have nothing to do with enerygy, regulation, prices or anything of the sort.

The only thing I dislike is your lack of common sense when it comes to your political positions.

No, you continue to insinuate this administration's policies are what is driving the cost of gasoline up.

So quote me in here where I have stated such.

I never said "IHF thinks Obama controls gas prices." Are you daft? You are going to sit here with a straight face and tell me your quotes aren't insinuating that Obama's administration is driving the price of gasoline up? Seriously? You backpedal and flip flop as much as Romney.....

I wonder where you read that?

Not from you....

One of the greatest ideas I had heard that has never been acted upon was building refineries on closed military installations.

“I’m very much in favor of people recognizing that these high gasoline prices are probably here to stay."



Maybe you should just listen to your boy Romney on this topic.

 

[R K]

Over shadows my "comprehension". I wouldn't go quite that far Captain.



And you keep praying because if he's given four more years I'll be calling you in Mexico or Canada.



As for the rest, you not insinuating Obama has been a major cause, I almost spit out my pop....



And the "Go **** Yourself" was for Pez just in case.... It's trade marked for him.

 

[TSD]

As much as you think "You Got Me" you are actually proving my point. Nowhere in there do I say that Obama controls the price of gas.



Go ahead, reread. Just because I derail Obama on his energy plan and on what can be done to help lower gas prices you take that as me saying he directly sets prices. It is not there.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Nothing is ever Obama's fault. That was statement early on and it is still relevant. Everything that happens under his watch is a reflection of policies, regulations and vision that he and his staff control. Is Obama directly responsible for gas prices, no. Do some research and you will see that his policies are hostile to the gas and oil industry. Green energy would be good to Google.[/background][/font]



[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So here you basically say he is, but isn't. Which is it, does he control them or doesn't he? I mean this seems like a big attempt to insinuate he does while covering your ass and saying he doesnt, so which is it? So if Obama is not directly responsible for gas prices wtf is the point of the previous statement in the bolded? Or are you implying hes responsible for 50% of gas prices? 40%? 80%? what exactly are you trying to say here?[/font]

 

[Pez68]

Over shadows my "comprehension". I wouldn't go quite that far Captain.



And you keep praying because if he's given four more years I'll be calling you in Mexico or Canada.



As for the rest, you not insinuating Obama has been a major cause, I almost spit out my pop....



And the "Go **** Yourself" was for Pez just in case.... It's trade marked for him.

Love you too Ron.

 

[R K]

Up over 20 cents in some places overnight. Damn Obama and his Hurricane Policies. **** him.

 

[daze71]

Out here in CT i am paying 3.90 to 4.00 dollars for gas and that was right before we settled in for the hurricane yesterday about noon when the wind started to pick up a bit with quite a bit of rain but none today so far.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Out here in CT i am paying 3.90 to 4.00 dollars for gas and that was right before we settled in for the hurricane yesterday about noon when the wind started to pick up a bit with quite a bit of rain but none today so far.

Hope you are doing well out there.



It appears this storm was everything they predicted it to be.