give Nagy credit for not completely throwing Mitch under bus

[JesusHalasChrist]

How do you throw a guy under the bus when he was responsible for most of your wins and saving your job anyway?

Mitch deserves just as much credit for Nagy's record as Nagy..

 

[legendxofxlink]

Fellas, Nagy and Mitch can both suck at the same time..

 

[Brownie]

Or they both were along for the ride because they’ve had defenses that ranked 1, 4 and 14

For sure. But the folks who do a lot of pining for Nagy tend to leave that element out when it comes to his record.

They like to say Nagy is a good coach, 2 playoff years in spite of Mitch.

I say he's still proven nothing as a HC, play caller or in game tactician ... the team has come along IN SPITE of Nagy.

 

[Brownie]

Fellas, Nagy and Mitch can both suck at the same time..

Agreed. End of the day, they've both proven about the same amount of success and failure in this league so far.

 

[Black Rainbow]

I also remember when Foles said Nagy and his plays were stupid....taking too long to develop

I'm only giving Nagy credit if he starts getting the offense to score points - every else is bullshit.

 

[Anytime23]

For sure. But the folks who do a lot of pining for Nagy tend to leave that element out when it comes to his record.

They like to say Nagy is a good coach, 2 playoff years in spite of Mitch.

I say he's still proven nothing as a HC, play caller or in game tactician ... the team has come along IN SPITE of Nagy.

I’d argue he’s proven more as a HC than anything else. It can’t be easy to keep that defense on board despite getting no help from his offense.

regardless, fields finally gives us a talent that leaves Nagy with no excuses. Put a real nfl offense on the field or get out of the way,

 

[Brownie]

People give Nagy a pass cause they don't remember all his frustrating bullshit. And because the dude can sell you to death with coach speak.

It all sounds good but what have you actually seen that you like? Don't get pants'd by his buddy buddy smile and offseason hoopla about how much more determined and collaborative he is. Demand results ffs.

 

[Brownie]

I’d argue he’s proven more as a HC than anything else. It can’t be easy to keep that defense on board despite getting no help from his offense.

regardless, fields finally gives us a talent that leaves Nagy with no excuses. Put a real nfl offense on the field or get out of the way,

True. And I admit, myself included, would love to see him actually be the FT head coach. But since he's not, there will still be this weird metric when assessing the job he's [supposed] to be doing..

Year 4 and we still don't know if he actually knows how to run an offense.

Is it really the QBs (MT AND FOLES)?
Does the dude just not have the time it takes to dedicate to the offense as the HC? Why even put yourself in that position?

Honestly, I think he'd rather be OC than HC. Wondering if the Pettine hire was an extra layer added so that he, again, wouldn't have to dedicate himself to both sides of the ball with a green DC in Desai.

 

[Black Rainbow]

People give Nagy a pass cause they don't remember all his frustrating bullshit. And because the dude can sell you to death with coach speak.

It all sounds good but what have you actually seen that you like? Don't get pants'd by his buddy buddy smile and offseason hoopla about how much more determined and collaborative he is. Demand results ffs.

Perfect.

It really is this simple: He improves the offense to top 15 or don't bother with another contract.

No more personnel excuses. I don't want to hear how he doesn't have enough weapons. He got 3 QBs of his chosing going into camp. Put up or stfu with the coach speak.

 

[SD Bears Fan]

I have news for you, my friend ..

Nagy taking back Bears' offensive playcalling

Chicago Bears head coach Matt Nagy says he will call the team's offensive plays in 2021.

www.espn.com

It's not like Lazor is good at it either. He totally misused Lamar Miller in Miami. Lazor is probably only slightly better than Nagy and why he is a coach for the Bears.

 

[Mdbearz]

I'm willing to give Nagy the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps his crazy ass play calling was partial due to the fact that he had no confidence in Mitch.

I still think Nagy is responsible for personnel groupings being total crap in certain situations.

We have seen evidence of players running wide open, and Mitch missing them either by a bad throw or not seeing the player. So there is some hope that his plays can work......maybe I'm just being overly optimistic.

 

[msadows]

go rewatch the offense in 2019 and see how many times Mitch air mailed Miller for TDs. he hasn’t been running his offense since 2018.

maybe he does have a big ego, maybe he doesn’t, but he sure as shit was dealing with horse shit at QB and OL. this is his year to sink or swim.

Thing is, we saw like what, 5 games of foles?

He called the same dumbass shit as he did with mitch.

Obviously life gets harder when your qb can't hit the broad side of a barn, but nagy isn't doing himself any favors half the time.

He's thus far been a pretty bad playcaller in his NFL career, and bad with clock management as well. That's not to say he can't improve, and I expect him to. I'm just saying a lot of the issues the last 2 years weren't just mitch or foles.

 

[jerkstore]

It's not like Lazor is good at it either. He totally misused Lamar Miller in Miami. Lazor is probably only slightly better than Nagy and why he is a coach for the Bears.

I don’t remember all the details of that period, but didn’t Miller have his best statistical seasons with Lazor?

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Thing is, we saw like what, 5 games of foles?

He called the same dumbass shit as he did with mitch.

Obviously life gets harder when your qb can't hit the broad side of a barn, but nagy isn't doing himself any favors half the time.

He's thus far been a pretty bad playcaller in his NFL career, and bad with clock management as well. That's not to say he can't improve, and I expect him to. I'm just saying a lot of the issues the last 2 years weren't just mitch or foles.

i feel like you have to change and limit your play calling when the incompetence at QB is that bad.

 

[jerkstore]

he's hinted at it and obviously we all knew Mitch just wasn't able to process stuff fast enough, but I do give some credit to Nagy for staying professional and not referring to Mitch in terms of how much better and more excited he is about Fields. there were some questions trying to get him to compare the 2 and he never took the bait. at least from what i heard. it'd be so easy for him to throw some shade on Mitch "i didn't pick him and wouldn't have cause he's so raw, it was really hard to implement anything advanced we had to keep it super simple".

Really it’s nothing to credit him with, just basic professionalism.

 

[MarkBear]

I give credit to Nagy for realizing he sucked at play calling and gave it up to someone that has the ability to do it well moving forward. It takes a man to admit his intellectual limitation and not letting his ego get in the way of the success of the team. Glad he isn't such a small petty man that his ego requires demoting Lazor from playcaller.

Lol and then take it back during the Packers and Saints game??

 

[MarkBear]

i feel like you have to change and limit your play calling when the incompetence at QB is that bad.

It when Lazor called the plays, the rhythm looked better and they scored points.

 

[Brownie]

It's not like Lazor is good at it either. He totally misused Lamar Miller in Miami. Lazor is probably only slightly better than Nagy and why he is a coach for the Bears.

Maybe so. But I would still rather have a FT head coach AND a FT OC/Play caller. Who can both then focus 100% on their jobs.

I'd feel way more comfortable with both men designing an offense that Lazor is ultimately responsible for implementing. Seems like Nagy really just wants to be an OC in disguise with veto power. It would be fascinating to know how much time he spends with ST and the Defense.

 

[ChicagoBearsSinceBirth]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397299057463267332

here comes Mitch

 

[Ralpf]

Mitch ranged from average to aweful while he was here. But the play calling did nothing to help most of the time. It worked for a little while but you can't RELY on fooling professional defenses, some times you just need to work with what you have and run simple plays that work most of the time.

I don't know if a better QB solves that problem.