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I never accused you of saying that...but accusing Lebron of stat padding...as if Jordan didn't do that is over the top don't you think?
By the way, if Lebron wanted to, he could easily average over 30ppg but he is more of a Magic Johnson than Jordan. He is more inclined to share the ball. His results are 2 MVPs and a trip to the finals so far...pretty much on par with what Jordan did up to this point in his career. And by the way, Jordan didn't do a damn thing until he got a hall of famer beside him...not a damn thing....
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You compare James to Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown? What about Garnett? What about Moses Malone? What about Kobe Bryant?
Calling Lebron a clown is a bit silly, don't you think? I guess when you really don't know much about the guy's game, you have to resort to calling him a clown....
Lebron played point forward, according to his abilities, it makes sense for him to play that position. Why wouldn't he be used the same way Oscar Robertson was used earlier in his career? He is much more capable of averaging a triple double than any other player, so it makes sense to keep him involved in all facets of the game. So If Brown was the one who instituted that system, he must of called Paul Silas a year early because if I am not mistaken, Lebron became an allstar and scored close to 30ppg under Silas. ANYBODY would have used Lebron the way Brown used him, what do you expect him to do? Be Luol Deng?
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LeBron is one of the most physically gifted athletes to ever play the game, might be the most. The big difference between he and Jordan, and Kobe for that matter are their drive and competitiveness. If LeBron had Jordan's killer instinct and competitveness he could/will easily end up the GOAT. Right now he's not, which is stupid to even discuss it considering he's not even finished playing. That doesn't mean he won't be when it's all said and done. How about let the man lead a team to a championship, and win some finals MVPs before anyone starts anointing him the GOAT.
If LeBron was like Jordan mentally he wouldn't have teamed up with guys he should be wanting to beat. I can see going ring chasing at the taile end of your career. Not in the prime. Anyways, I see that type of competitiveness jordan had in Rose.
If LeBron was like Jordan mentally he wouldn't have teamed up with guys he should be wanting to beat. I can see going ring chasing at the taile end of your career. Not in the prime. Anyways, I see that type of competitiveness jordan had in Rose.
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Nobody is anointing Lebron the greatest. I said that he is the most talented player in league history and was capable of being the greatest ever. I think Lebron has shown plenty of killer instinct and drive this year. He is more focused now than I have ever seen him.
I don't think Kobe has a problem in the competitive, killer instinct department. I think he is a very competitive player. I don't think anyone wants to be the best or wants to win more than he does...and yes, Rose is showing the characteristics, but I hesitate to say he has more resolve than Kobe does or even Lebron at this point. Proving the world wrong is pretty much a good reason to develop any killer instinct and competitiveness that he didn't have.
As far as him choosing the team he chose, he wasn't going to win in Cleveland...that is obvious. If he comes to Chicago, and Rose progresses to the level he is at now...would we still question Lebron's competitiveness? As far as what would have been done back in the day...who knows? Barkley forced a trade when he felt he wouldn't win in Philly. Jordan wasn't a free agent at the time of his obvious frustrations with the team...so who really knows?
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A couple of things:
-I never said you anointed him anything.
-LeBron might be more focused, but his teams still can't beat the better teams in the league and more specifically boston, who they will probably have to get passed to get into the finals. If people are going to give this guy all the praise for beating teams like Indiana, then he must shoulder a ton of the blame when they can't get passed good teams and he's deferring to Mike Miller of all people to take big shots.
-Kobe is cut from the same cloth as JOrdan mentally which is what I was saying. LeBron can have have all the physical abilities in the world. If he doesn't have the fire that those kind of players have, he'll just always be one of the greats, not the greatest.
-I think Rose has more drive and fire than LeBron. It's part of the reason why he didn't push hard to any of those guys. He thinks he can be that guy. He's out to prove people wrong. Just think about it? The guy asked before the season started, why couldn't he be MVP? And he's one of the top candidates for the award. He said he was going to develop his shot and he did. He said he was going to be a better defender and he has. The guy wants to be the best player in the league, not just the MVP. I think stuff has come easy for LeBron when it comes to basketball because he's an athletic freak. he can probably not give it 100% and still be better than almost anybody. Maybe this year we are seeing him with more fire. I still just see the same LeBron I have seen in Cleveland. We've seen this story before. Great regular season success only to fizzle in the playoffs. I'll take the wait and see approach.
-He wasn't going to win shit in cleveland, not with that roster. I don't fault him for wanting to play with better players. With that said, LeBron is the best player in the league. Players should come to him. A candy ass like Bosh shouldn't dictate where someone who calls himself 'The King' should sign. And from everything that was reported and Wade himself said, they ended up in Miami because that's where bosh wanted to play.
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To say Lebron is the GOAT right now in his 8th season is nuts. He is nowhere close to Jordan right now. I would say Lebron did of course play a big part of the Cavs and is the main reason why they are looking like the way they are but also some of the players on the team have been injured as well. I'm not saying they wouldnt have done much better with Mo Williams playing more games and such but it would make a difference some. Plus you have to remember they fired Mike Brown and now have Byron Scott which is more of an offensive type of team with him coaching. Lebron is a great player but to say he is the GOAT now is nuts.
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Lebron deferred to Miller because Miller is a better shooter from long distance than Lebron is. That was the smart thing to do...the teams success hinges on players like Miller being able to assume the roles they are given. Otherwise the top teams will beat the Heat.
As far as who went where, the three of them wanted to play together. The only place that could happen at was Miami. I didn't like the way things went down either, but its done.
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I always said lebron is more magic than Jordan.
But why are you on him so hard?
Was Scottie a HOF player when the Bulls got him from Seattle in the draft? You'd be a complete fool to say so. Scottie was a project, at best when he was drafted. Plus, he was bricking dunks worse than Brad Sellers, couldn't shoot well and was terrible at free throws and didn't show up in big games. Scottie didn't do anything until 91 when he had his breakout year. He didn't even pad his HOF candidacy until 94. Up until then, he was a great all around player and a sidekick.
Scottie will tell you himself that he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for Jordan taking him under his wing and making him into the player we know him as. So he owes his HOF to Mike.
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The top teams will almost always beat the Heat because Miami has no steady diet of who is going to finish games for them in close games. They have not decided who it is going to consistently be between Wade or James. It will take losing a series or two before they figure that one out.
And let's also not forget that their half-court offense is more than suspect. Let's see what happens in a slow-paced series where every possession counts. They will be settling for a lot of jumpshots and will be forced to make a lot of difficult passes, which will likely result in a ton of turnovers.
And let's also not forget that their half-court offense is more than suspect. Let's see what happens in a slow-paced series where every possession counts. They will be settling for a lot of jumpshots and will be forced to make a lot of difficult passes, which will likely result in a ton of turnovers.
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They should go to Wade. He is more clutch than Lebron is. Simply because he´s a better shooter.
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That point was made, that is why I said what I said...
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And because Wade is willing to play off-the-ball. But who knows what will happen...
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not just that but the heat have zero depth. When I see the big 3 score 90 points and the rest of the team scores 18 like they did the other night, something is wrong. That kind of stuff may win regular season games against scrubs, but it's not going to cut it come playoff time against good defensive teams.
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i'm going to disagree with this, but i'm really just going on gut instinct. Yeah the heatles have a lot to do but each one of them is a top 5 player in his position. At least 2 of them demand a double team. We played wade and bosh, and it was still a very tough offense to defend. Even the spurs didn't have that good of a trio.
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I hear you.
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The bulls also were playing without Noah weren't they? Any team with any quality big man is going to be matchup problems for them. Like I said, I think this season they lack depth to realistically win a title. They still have a chance because they have 2 great players and one really good one. I just think the playoffs are a different animal. You really think that team can get passed Boston? Hell at this point i'd like to see a fully healthy bulls squad play against them in the playoffs to see how they fare.
I just see guys like Garnett, Perkins, and Shaq pushing around Bosh's soft ass. And then the rest of that teams defense doing what they usually do against Wade and LeBron.
The Spurs might not have had that trio but they were/are a complete team. Miami is not a team yet. They are 3 guys and a bunch of scrubs. Isn't Haslem out for the year? And Mike Miller is fragile. The rest of that team isn't very good.
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Perkin isn't really going to push anyone around. he's weak on the offensive side. The heat dont really have a center, but is noah really able to capitalize on that? I'm not sure he's skilled enough offensively to do so. Boozer struggles against length. There perimeter is better than ours. If we face them, we're going to be the underdogs. I hope we beat them though.
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Wade is a terrible shooter, 34% from 16+ feet and 31% from three vs 40% and 35% for LeBron.
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