God of the NFL.

[OmiyalePants]

Here's the attendance numbers for every baseball team in 2011:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2011

Looking at the third section for overall (home & away) average attendance, SF ranks #3 at 37,287, St. Louis at #8 with 34,318, Yankees at #2 with 39,167, Philadelphia at #1 with 39,220, Boston at #5 with 34,851. The White Sox were at #22 with 26,980, and the Marlins were the smallest with 24,920 at #27. So really it's 2 small market teams out of 10. St. Louis may not be a big city, but they draw baseball fans from throughout the midwest. Same with the Giants and Northern California.

I think there's something to be said for giving more fans more bang for their buck and getting the big market teams to win more often. It's also good if you can split up your teams better to cover the population more evenly before applying a salary cap.

 

[MRubio52]

Here's the attendance numbers for every baseball team in 2011:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2011

Looking at the third section for overall (home & away) average attendance, SF ranks #3 at 37,287, St. Louis at #8 with 34,318, Yankees at #2 with 39,167, Philadelphia at #1 with 39,220, Boston at #5 with 34,851. The White Sox were at #22 with 26,980, and the Marlins were the smallest with 24,920 at #27. So really it's 2 small market teams out of 10. St. Louis may not be a big city, but they draw baseball fans from throughout the midwest. Same with the Giants and Northern California.

I think there's something to be said for giving more fans more bang for their buck and getting the big market teams to win more often. It's also good if you can split up your teams better to cover the population more evenly before applying a salary cap.

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team

Those are the payrolls by team. Nats, A's, and Orioles all made the playoffs while being under league average for payroll. I think there's actually an equal distribution of teams that pay high and make it (bang for buck) and small market teams that have payroll constraints and still figure out how to build good teams (Rays, A's, and the like).

 

[OmiyalePants]

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team

Those are the payrolls by team. Nats, A's, and Orioles all made the playoffs while being under league average for payroll. I think there's actually an equal distribution of teams that pay high and make it (bang for buck) and small market teams that have payroll constraints and still figure out how to build good teams (Rays, A's, and the like).

Still invalidates the point.

San Francisco Giants $ 117,620,683 $ 3,920,689 $ 1,275,000 $ 5,296,153
St. Louis Cardinals $ 110,300,862 $ 3,939,316 $ 800,000 $ 4,858,527
New York Yankees $ 197,962,289 $ 6,186,321 $ 1,937,500 $ 7,938,987
Philadelphia Phillies $ 174,538,938 $ 5,817,964 $ 1,875,000 $ 6,833,158
Boston Red Sox $ 173,186,617 $ 5,093,724 $ 1,556,250 $ 6,311,421
Chicago White Sox $ 96,919,500 $ 3,876,780 $ 530,000 $ 4,956,845
Miami Marlins $ 118,078,000 $ 4,373,259 $ 1,500,000 $ 5,228,424

Now it's just CWS at the bottom at #11, still near the top of the league in spending. And the point was that small market teams with low attendance can still compete with the big markets.

 

[OmiyalePants]

Past 10 SB winners, average attendance, rank:

2013 Baltimore Ravens, 69,337, 10
2012 New York Giants, 76,870, 2
2011 Green Bay Packers, 69,131, 12
2010 New Orleans Saints, 72,731, 4
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers, 67,410, 15
2008 New York Giants, 76,870, 2
2007 Indianapolis Colts, 66,415, 18
2006 Pittsburgh Steelers, 67,410, 15
2005 New England Patriots, 70,048, 9
2004 New England Patriots, 70,048, 9
2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 62,778, 30

http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/allAvg

6/10 winners were small market

 

[Raskolnikov]

This reminds me that I just got God of War bundle with the Red PS3. Took 10 years away from video games only to break down now. Goodbye life.

 

[MRubio52]

Still invalidates the point.

San Francisco Giants $ 117,620,683 $ 3,920,689 $ 1,275,000 $ 5,296,153
St. Louis Cardinals $ 110,300,862 $ 3,939,316 $ 800,000 $ 4,858,527
New York Yankees $ 197,962,289 $ 6,186,321 $ 1,937,500 $ 7,938,987
Philadelphia Phillies $ 174,538,938 $ 5,817,964 $ 1,875,000 $ 6,833,158
Boston Red Sox $ 173,186,617 $ 5,093,724 $ 1,556,250 $ 6,311,421
Chicago White Sox $ 96,919,500 $ 3,876,780 $ 530,000 $ 4,956,845
Miami Marlins $ 118,078,000 $ 4,373,259 $ 1,500,000 $ 5,228,424

Now it's just CWS at the bottom at #11, still near the top of the league in spending. And the point was that small market teams with low attendance can still compete with the big markets.

Are you going by attendance or payroll?

 

[Sunbiz1]

Slightly off topic, but the revenue disparities in MLB being a direct link to competitive imbalance is a myth. Look at the last 10 World Series Champions.

2012: Giants (Midsize market)
2011: Cardinals (Small market)
2010: Giants (See 2012)
2009: Yankees (Major market)
2008: Phillies (Midsize market)
2007: Red Sox (Major market)
2006: Cardinals (Small market)
2005: White Sox (Major market)
2004: Red Sox (Major market)
2003: Marlins (Small market)

Only 4 of the last 10 World Series have been won by the so-called major market behemoths and their $200 million payrolls (although I don't think the White Sox payroll was that high when they won in 2005). If an organization spends its money wisely, it can put together a contending ballclub.

Either you can sit through 9 innings or you can't...completely different fan base from NFL.

 

[OmiyalePants]

Either you can drink through 9 innings or you can't...completely different fan base from NFL.

FTFY

 

[OmiyalePants]

Are you going by attendance or payroll?

Either. In terms of attendance, only the White Sox and Marlins were small-market. In terms of payroll, only CWS is small-market.

 

[MRubio52]

Either. In terms of attendance, only the White Sox and Marlins were small-market. In terms of payroll, only CWS is small-market.

If we go year by year payroll teams are usually closer to being 10th in payroll. The Yankees and Red Sox don't win all the time. If we go by attendance and we expand to all playoff teams we will find a skew to the top but teams like WAS (middle of the pack) ATL (middle of the pack) BAL (bottom) OAK (bottom) still do compete. Being a small market makes it tough in a way but baseball has been sliding towards an era where big time free agent spending is not a viable way to build a team. Just watch what happens to the Yankees this year.

 

[Sunbiz1]

FTFY

:lol:

 

[Raskolnikov]

Cardinals are not small market spenders or fan base. They are more like the Yankees of the national league then they are small market.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Nothing has been done to hurt offense and that's what people love to see. Fantasy football is almost as big as football itself.

The NFL/Goodell can fine players for stupid things, change the rules, argue over how to divide a billion dollars...they can do whatever they want to. People just love it too much and are already invested in it.

 

[CAP BOSO]

Fantasy sports is more popular than the real game. As long as people are scoring points, people will watch.

 

[sikesy7]

If post players didn't file lawsuits none of this would be happening. This is Roger Goodell doing his job which is making as much money as possible for the owners.

True that. I hate the softening of the game, but you can't blame him what he's doing with all the players suing because of concussions.

 

[bearmick]

Never have I seen one individual completely ruin a sport to the point it should no longer be recognized as football. NFL marketing has done a fantastic job of selling the bullshit, yet what's left of the game remains as popular as ever...why?.

Football is more popular, more profitable, and more exciting than ever before.

If you want to see 16-9 poundfests with "tough D" and running the ball every first and second down, there's plenty of that recorded and available on VHS. The game has moved on.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Football is more popular, more profitable, and more exciting than ever before.

If you want to see 16-9 poundfests with "tough D" and running the ball every first and second down, there's plenty of that recorded and available on VHS. The game has moved on.

Thus spoketh the Bearmick...who bows down to NFL marketing.:bowrofl:

 

[bearmick]

Thus spoketh the Beardick...who bows down to NFL marketing.:bowrofl:

So enjoying a faster, better, more dynamic game is bowing down to marketing?

Well ok then lol.

 

[malcore]

Flux sux. For those who rail against life and always feel hard done to. Life is change. The world has changed. Nobody is being duped.

Or, to make the OP feel better, the problem, if there is one, can be boiled down to three words: vaginas.

 

[OmiyalePants]

What the salary cap really helped with wasn't so much the small market teams. It was the big market teams like ours that were too cheap to compete with the even bigger teams on player payroll. Once the Bears got competitive again, the popularity of football increased by a lot. You can't have a sports league and ignore the team with the biggest market.