Gordon's getting booed on each possession

[RC_Skinny22]

This is how it should be.

 

[??? ??????]

I just watched most of the first half, and Neil Funk didn't seem bad at all in the first half, and the booing of Gordon seemed very mild. They booed Tyson Chandler a few weeks ago when the Bobcats came in harder than they were booing Gordon. There was also plenty of audible cheering going on for Gordon.

Maybe the crowd and Neiil turned on him in the 2nd half, but based on my first half ovservations, he was treated pretty well.

 

[engies]

mlewinth wrote:

Shakes wrote:

Don't people complain the fans at the UC don't get involved enough? Then they get involved and people complain about that too. No pleasing some people.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I go to a sporting event I boo and scream insults at the opposition until my voice is hoarse. It's the Australian way.

Booing is fine if it is deserved. With Wallace, it was deserved. With Ben it wasnt, be played well for us and deserved his due. But fans are stupid. Just go to a Cubs game. If a player is in a slump the fans boo him. That will break the slump!

+1

 

[houheffna]

''There were boos, so I wasn't really surprised,'' Gordon said. ''I kind of expected that. I saw how it went with past players that have been here and went to another team. I wasn't surprised.

''The home crowd is always gonna back their team. It's not like I won a championship or anything here.''

So there you go...nothing unusual about him getting booed. Like I said, past players have been booed and Gordon deserved no better.

 

[engies]

houheffna wrote:

''There were boos, so I wasn't really surprised,'' Gordon said. ''I kind of expected that. I saw how it went with past players that have been here and went to another team. I wasn't surprised.

''The home crowd is always gonna back their team. It's not like I won a championship or anything here.''

So there you go...nothing unusual about him getting booed. Like I said, past players have been booed and Gordon deserved no better.

Why does he not deserve no better. Now I know you weren't a big fan of keeping Ben, but I've heard you acknowledge him before and you must admit he was our best player and helped us get back to the playoffs. Sure he didnt when a championship but he brought back some excitement to Bulls basketball after putting up with 6 years of the likes of Ron Mercer, Khalid Al Min and Eddie Robinson.

This wasn't Darius Songalia leaving. I hope at least Nocioni gets cheered at first, even though Ben deserves it more than him

 

[ramblingrose33]

The way I look at it and why I don't feel bad for him is that he went to the Pistons. Of all teams, he went to the Pistons! It would be like Jordan going to the Knicks or a real life example, Farve going to the Vikings. Those guys get booed. Do they deserve it in light of their contributions? For some people yes, others no. But is it really that bad to do? No! Now, I'm not saying that Gordon is as good as Farve or Jordan. It's just an illustration of a "best player" going to a rival.

I guess I'm shocked how much lee-way Gordon gets from some people for his decision to go to the Pistons. Thing is, Gordon made a business decision and so did the Bulls. Argue it however you want. Who was right and who was wrong. Doesn't matter. All that matters is Gordon is on the Pistons. So for people to hate a Piston player shouldn't be that shocking.

 

[houheffna]

I like Nocioni...wouldn't be surprised if he gets booed though. Not at all. I am not admitting that Gordon was the best player on the team all five years. And if he was...so what? They accomplished nothing spectacular. Like I said before...they booed Horace Grant, an all star who won 3 titles with the team. So they will boo most players in opposing uniforms. It is what it is...

 

[mlewinth]

houheffna wrote:

I like Nocioni...wouldn't be surprised if he gets booed though. Not at all. I am not admitting that Gordon was the best player on the team all five years. And if he was...so what? They accomplished nothing spectacular. Like I said before...they booed Horace Grant, an all star who won 3 titles with the team. So they will boo most players in opposing uniforms. It is what it is...

Was Horace an All-star? I don't think he was.

 

[houheffna]

Yeah, Horace was an allstar in 1994

 

[ramblingrose33]

He played in the 94 All-Star game. Really made a show out of it too. Set a record in points and rebounds with 4 and 8.

 

[jsain360]

mlewinth wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I like Nocioni...wouldn't be surprised if he gets booed though. Not at all. I am not admitting that Gordon was the best player on the team all five years. And if he was...so what? They accomplished nothing spectacular. Like I said before...they booed Horace Grant, an all star who won 3 titles with the team. So they will boo most players in opposing uniforms. It is what it is...

Was Horace an All-star? I don't think he was.

Horace was, it was the season following Mike's 1st retirement

 

[TheStig]

mlewinth wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I like Nocioni...wouldn't be surprised if he gets booed though. Not at all. I am not admitting that Gordon was the best player on the team all five years. And if he was...so what? They accomplished nothing spectacular. Like I said before...they booed Horace Grant, an all star who won 3 titles with the team. So they will boo most players in opposing uniforms. It is what it is...

Was Horace an All-star? I don't think he was.

He was an allstar the same way Jamal Magalorie was. A whopping 15 and 11 it was amazing he didn't get the mvp that year.

 

[houheffna]

He was an allstar the same way Jamal Magalorie was. A whopping 15 and 11 it was amazing he didn't get the mvp that year.

What is your point? He did more here in Chicago then Gordon did...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

He was an allstar the same way Jamal Magalorie was. A whopping 15 and 11 it was amazing he didn't get the mvp that year.

What is your point? He did more here in Chicago then Gordon did...

Did he? Or was he just on better teams? And my point was, he wasn't a real all star. How many 15 and 11 allstars do you see? There are guys who squeak occasionally. I mean if BJ was an allstar, how isn't BG?

 

[houheffna]

He was an important part of great teams, especially defensively. However you draw it up...he accomplished more...

 

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ramblingrose33 wrote:

The way I look at it and why I don't feel bad for him is that he went to the Pistons. Of all teams, he went to the Pistons! It would be like Jordan going to the Knicks or a real life example, Farve going to the Vikings. Those guys get booed. Do they deserve it in light of their contributions? For some people yes, others no. But is it really that bad to do? No! Now, I'm not saying that Gordon is as good as Farve or Jordan. It's just an illustration of a "best player" going to a rival.

I guess I'm shocked how much lee-way Gordon gets from some people for his decision to go to the Pistons. Thing is, Gordon made a business decision and so did the Bulls. Argue it however you want. Who was right and who was wrong. Doesn't matter. All that matters is Gordon is on the Pistons. So for people to hate a Piston player shouldn't be that shocking.

I don't think it's really fair to look at it that way. As a Packer and Bulls fan I can tell you that the two situations are completely different. Brett Favre CHOSE to go to the Vikings. He was secretly desiring to go to either the Bears or Vikings.

Now I'm not too upset about Favre, but that's only because the Packers have a better quarterback than Favre. But Favre is a guy I would root against. I don't want the guy to win a championship with the Vikings.

Gordon is completely different. He chose to sign with the Pistons as well, but it was very much a forced choice, as they were the only team offering him a contract over te MLE that didn't involve a sign and trade. I can almost guarantee you that if the Blazers offered Gordon all of their cap space (which would have been about $10.6 million per a year I think), that he would have signed there over Detroit.

From everything I've read, Gordon wanted to remain a Bull. He tried to commit longterm in 2008, but the Bulls wouldn't sign him. He recently did an interview where Mitch Robinson asked him to set the record straight, and Gordon started getting emotional, and when he was finishing up saying "I had a good time here, it just had to come to an end at some point" he like barely was able to finish the sentence he was getting so sad saying it. That is also where they cut the footage of the interview, likely out of respect for Gordon, to not show him being too emotional.

People can use him being on the opposing team as a reason to boo him. But people don't boo Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, etc. when they come to the United Center. Ben doesn't deserve to be in the same boat as guys like James Posey or Larry Hughes.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

He was an important part of great teams, especially defensively. However you draw it up...he accomplished more...

Thats a really bad argument. If BG were drafted in 1990 and not 2004 he would have been part of great teams. BG would have made an amazing pg in the triangle playing off of mj and pip. I don't know how you can use championships as an assessment on non superstars. Did Steve Kerr accomplish more than Steve Nash? Is Robert Horry better than Karl Malone?

 

[houheffna]

Thats a really bad argument. If BG were drafted in 1990 and not 2004 he would have been part of great teams. BG would have made an amazing pg in the triangle playing off of mj and pip. I don't know how you can use championships as an assessment on non superstars. Did Steve Kerr accomplish more than Steve Nash? Is Robert Horry better than Karl Malone?

BG would have sat his ass on the bench until called because he cant play defense......

Grant was a legit top 10 player at his position at that time. And could do things defensively that other power forwards could not do back then.

Your argument is senseless to me. Karl Malone is a far better player than Horry, that is not the case between Gordon and Grant...not at all. Kerr and Nash? Nash won MVPs, another bad metaphor. You are comparing hall of fame players to guys with rings. Let me know when Gordon is a hall of famer...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Thats a really bad argument. If BG were drafted in 1990 and not 2004 he would have been part of great teams. BG would have made an amazing pg in the triangle playing off of mj and pip. I don't know how you can use championships as an assessment on non superstars. Did Steve Kerr accomplish more than Steve Nash? Is Robert Horry better than Karl Malone?

BG would have sat his ass on the bench until called because he cant play defense......

Grant was a legit top 10 player at his position at that time. And could do things defensively that other power forwards could not do back then.

Your argument is senseless to me. Karl Malone is a far better player than Horry, that is not the case between Gordon and Grant...not at all. Kerr and Nash? Nash won MVPs, another bad metaphor. You are comparing hall of fame players to guys with rings. Let me know when Gordon is a hall of famer...

Your insane, BG would have made BJ his little *****. the only thing BJ was better at was ball handling. Your insane if you think BG would have sat in favor of BJ Armstrong.

Grant was near the bottom of that top 10 list, he was there with guys like oakley and tyronne hill, not exactly anything to write home about he was about average in a league where there were a ton of really good bigs.

My argument makes plenty of sense, you can't evaluate non superstar players for championships. Granted my examples are extreme but you can't say that a non superstar is better than another non superstar because of championships. Niether player was the reason they got or didn't get there.

 

[houheffna]

Not insane at all dude...I watched the games...I was thinking more of the second set of titles than the first. I think Gordon is an interchangeable part on the first set of championships, a shooter amongst a team of shooters. He just blends in.

Grant was a very good power forward back then. All Star, 4 times all league defender.




Gordon is all league at what???????? And he is not top 10 at his position, hell, he is not the best sg on his own team!