Gordon's getting booed on each possession

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houheffna wrote:

Thats a really bad argument. If BG were drafted in 1990 and not 2004 he would have been part of great teams. BG would have made an amazing pg in the triangle playing off of mj and pip. I don't know how you can use championships as an assessment on non superstars. Did Steve Kerr accomplish more than Steve Nash? Is Robert Horry better than Karl Malone?

BG would have sat his ass on the bench until called because he cant play defense......

Huh??? The same way Fisher has been starting right? Fisher is way pathetic defender than Gordon (go ask Lakers fans) and is no where near the shooter/scorer that Gordon is, yet Phil starts him but you say Gordon would be just another warming the bench guy???

BG is an Elite shooter and if he was on that team with MJ/Pippen then it's all over for other teams. You can not leave this guy open. He would be burning every single team for doubling MJ/Pippen all day/every games.

I respect your opinion Hou, but you are really underrating Gordon and his shooting/impact.

BG is not a great player but he is a very good player (for a non-allstar). He is one of the purest shooter you can find in the NBA and he is a shot maker, who can make tough shots and can carry a team for a while - was a best scorer on a multiple playoff teams.

As for the topic, he really didn't deserve any boos. I say shut the hell up if you can't cheer for the guy.

 

[houheffna]

The Bulls have had a lot of shooters on their championship teams...B.J., Pax, Hodges, Kerr...those guys could all shoot very well. They didn't need another scorer. There was only one ball.

To maximize Gordon's scoring, they would have sat him on the bench and he would have been the number one offensive threat with the second unit.

As for the topic, he really didn't deserve any boos. I say shut the hell up if you can't cheer for the guy.

I say that if you pay your money, you can boo the hell out of a guy if you want to...

 

[cool007]

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls have had a lot of shooters on their championship teams...B.J., Pax, Hodges, Kerr...those guys could all shoot very well. They didn't need another scorer. There was only one ball.

To maximize Gordon's scoring, they would have sat him on the bench and he would have been the number one offensive threat with the second unit.

As for the topic, he really didn't deserve any boos. I say shut the hell up if you can't cheer for the guy.

I say that if you pay your money, you can boo the hell out of a guy if you want to...

Unfortunately there are more casual fans that go to UC (with money) than the die hard fans (who can't afford to go there other than once or twice a year) who actually know the stuff and actually watch every single game.

 

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ramblingrose33 wrote:

The way I look at it and why I don't feel bad for him is that he went to the Pistons. Of all teams, he went to the Pistons! It would be like Jordan going to the Knicks or a real life example, Farve going to the Vikings. Those guys get booed. Do they deserve it in light of their contributions? For some people yes, others no. But is it really that bad to do? No! Now, I'm not saying that Gordon is as good as Farve or Jordan. It's just an illustration of a "best player" going to a rival.

I guess I'm shocked how much lee-way Gordon gets from some people for his decision to go to the Pistons. Thing is, Gordon made a business decision and so did the Bulls. Argue it however you want. Who was right and who was wrong. Doesn't matter. All that matters is Gordon is on the Pistons. So for people to hate a Piston player shouldn't be that shocking.

I don't think it's really fair to look at it that way. As a Packer and Bulls fan I can tell you that the two situations are completely different. Brett Favre CHOSE to go to the Vikings. He was secretly desiring to go to either the Bears or Vikings.

Now I'm not too upset about Favre, but that's only because the Packers have a better quarterback than Favre. But Favre is a guy I would root against. I don't want the guy to win a championship with the Vikings.

Gordon is completely different. He chose to sign with the Pistons as well, but it was very much a forced choice, as they were the only team offering him a contract over te MLE that didn't involve a sign and trade. I can almost guarantee you that if the Blazers offered Gordon all of their cap space (which would have been about $10.6 million per a year I think), that he would have signed there over Detroit.

From everything I've read, Gordon wanted to remain a Bull. He tried to commit longterm in 2008, but the Bulls wouldn't sign him. He recently did an interview where Mitch Robinson asked him to set the record straight, and Gordon started getting emotional, and when he was finishing up saying "I had a good time here, it just had to come to an end at some point" he like barely was able to finish the sentence he was getting so sad saying it. That is also where they cut the footage of the interview, likely out of respect for Gordon, to not show him being too emotional.

People can use him being on the opposing team as a reason to boo him. But people don't boo Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, etc. when they come to the United Center. Ben doesn't deserve to be in the same boat as guys like James Posey or Larry Hughes.

I agree that Gordon shouldn't be booed. I wish we still had the dude. I read a comment he made that him and Rose were the only guys that could hit big shots and now it's just Rose. I think he really liked his teammates and the city. But the reality is, he's a Piston.

Take Horace Grant. He's big talk on this thread right now. After he left, I really didn't like him at all. Booed him when I was there and when I was home. BG isn't innocent in the whole contract dispute. He's not at fault, but he's not the victim here.

As I said earlier, I think he gets a lot of leeway from people on this board as if the Bulls the sole guilty party. Both Gordon and Reinsdorf suck for not getting a contract done. Period.

 

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Ben Gordon correctly assessed his value in 2007, turning down the Bulls extension offer. In 2008, he underrated his value, and gave the Bulls a great value, but they didn't want to give him a contract. Then in 2009, he asked the Bulls if they had an offer, and they said no.

 

[ramblingrose33]

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Ben Gordon correctly assessed his value in 2007, turning down the Bulls extension offer. In 2008, he underrated his value, and gave the Bulls a great value, but they didn't want to give him a contract. Then in 2009, he asked the Bulls if they had an offer, and they said no.

Whatever dude, that's the line of "poor Ben Gordon". They both messed up and didn't get the deal done and fans suffer as a result. Go ahead and blame only management if you want. I like how your history only has Gordon doing the right thing.

But like I said, I wish we still had Ben Gordon but it just didn't happen and they're both to blame. I refuse to put this all on management though. I completely agree that management has made poor personnel decisions with this team but they weren't the only ones making a business decision with regards to Gordon's contract.

 

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ramblingrose33 wrote:

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Ben Gordon correctly assessed his value in 2007, turning down the Bulls extension offer. In 2008, he underrated his value, and gave the Bulls a great value, but they didn't want to give him a contract. Then in 2009, he asked the Bulls if they had an offer, and they said no.

Whatever dude, that's the line of "poor Ben Gordon". They both messed up and didn't get the deal done and fans suffer as a result. Go ahead and blame only management if you want. I like how your history only has Gordon doing the right thing.

But like I said, I wish we still had Ben Gordon but it just didn't happen and they're both to blame. I refuse to put this all on management though. I completely agree that management has made poor personnel decisions with this team but they weren't the only ones making a business decision with regards to Gordon's contract.

Management had an opportunity to sign Ben Gordon (and at a great price) and chose not to. They are solely at fault. Ben Gordon is not the one who got to decide whether the Bulls should sign Ben Gordon or not. Ben Gordon is not the one who decided not to trade Kirk at the deadline last year. That was all management, and they deserve all the blame.

 

[ramblingrose33]

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ramblingrose33 wrote:

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Ben Gordon correctly assessed his value in 2007, turning down the Bulls extension offer. In 2008, he underrated his value, and gave the Bulls a great value, but they didn't want to give him a contract. Then in 2009, he asked the Bulls if they had an offer, and they said no.

Whatever dude, that's the line of "poor Ben Gordon". They both messed up and didn't get the deal done and fans suffer as a result. Go ahead and blame only management if you want. I like how your history only has Gordon doing the right thing.

But like I said, I wish we still had Ben Gordon but it just didn't happen and they're both to blame. I refuse to put this all on management though. I completely agree that management has made poor personnel decisions with this team but they weren't the only ones making a business decision with regards to Gordon's contract.

Management had an opportunity to sign Ben Gordon (and at a great price) and chose not to. They are solely at fault. Ben Gordon is not the one who got to decide whether the Bulls should sign Ben Gordon or not. Ben Gordon is not the one who decided not to trade Kirk at the deadline last year. That was all management, and they deserve all the blame.

Ok....Sure....

 

[houheffna]

Ben Gordon correctly assessed his value in 2007, turning down the Bulls extension offer. In 2008, he underrated his value, and gave the Bulls a great value, but they didn't want to give him a contract. Then in 2009, he asked the Bulls if they had an offer, and they said no.

Ben Gordon said he should be the highest paid player on the team in 2007...wrong! Wallace was making 15mil...so his assessment was wrong. Not only that...he was called out by Gilbert Arenas for not signing the deal! Agents came out and said that there is NO WAY they would have advised Gordon not to sign...

In 2008 he was given a deadline...he let it pass...that was his fault for letting it pass, JR's fault for being so stubborn.

I do not understand how people can act as if Gordon was some victim. That is why when one person on this forum suggests that the mayor of the city personally apologizes to Gordon, I questioned his sobriety (jokingly of course). But this crap where Gordon did nothing wrong in the situation is asinine. If he wanted to be here...he would be here. If the Bulls wanted him...he would be here.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

houheffna wrote:

Obviously I don't know you...so I don't know if you do drugs or not...

I understand you don't know me. It's possible for that question to be said with laughter and innocent sarcasm like Wilbon playfully demanding Kornheiser be drug tested for something he said. That very well may have been your motive.

If that wasn't the case, I just think that's completely inappropriate. How often do you ask someone during the day "Hey I'm just wondering. Are you on speed right now?" just because you disagreed with something they said.

Would we ask our boss that? Would we ask our father in law that? Would we ask customers at work that? Why ask me that? Again, if your motives were vindictive, that just seems to be an unbelievably jerky and condescending way to go with a person.

But again, it appears your intentions were not bad and if i read you right a day later, it seems your motives were good and that you weren't meaning it in a bad way. In fact, I think you meant nothing by it at all.

As everyone has seen I like to up the ante a little bit sometimes. That's just my style. When I have an opinion I like to put a little mmmph on it.

Something I seem to have overlooked is that when all of the communication you're dealing with are mute words there's some things that are missing.

1. You can't hear the persons tone.
2. You can't see their facial expression

You can use the same words but it's the tone and the facial expression that can make it completely different:

(Laughing with a gentle, friendly tone) "Man! That's insane! Are you on drugs!?"
(Looking at the other person somberly and with a serious tone) "Are you on drugs?"

When i read what you wrote I assumed your tone was angry and vindictive. If that was honestly not your tone then I am in the wrong for jumping to that conclusion and I apologize for doing so.


I guess you don't know the situations with the homicides and kids being beaten to death and left in alleys, shot on buses, etc here in Chicago. That makes your statement even more crazy...

No that doesn't make it even "crazier" it just means I'm a very far way from America right now and somehow I have never heard that story. I would like to know more about this because obviously this is important and needs to be taken seriously.


You took it the wrong way, I apologize...

Well, if your tone was innocent and you meant absolutely no harm whatsoever in your tone then I need to apologize to you.

Thanks for explaining this, Hou. I'll try and remember to assume everyone's best intentions rather than expecting their worst intentions.

 

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mlewinth wrote:

Booing is fine if it is deserved.

Any player that steps onto the court not wearing a Bulls jersey has done enough to deserve to be booed. If it's not a Bull it's fair game. This isn't the tennis with an umpire saying "quiet please".

 

[houheffna]

I agree, the same fans booed John Paxson, at Red Kerr night! Red Kerr was dying man and they booed Paxson! Even when Kerr said great things about Reinsdorf...people booed him too. It didn't bother Reinsdorf, Paxson? Seemed a bit frustrated by the whole thing.....

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Since he's come back at least 5 or 6 times since the Cleveland trade I'm sure the Ben Wallace return factor is wearing off but I'm just curious.

Was anyone at this game?

Was there any kind of booing...heckling...teasing...anything directed at Ben Wallace?

houheffna wrote:

I agree, the same fans booed John Paxson, at Red Kerr night! Red Kerr was dying man and they booed Paxson! Even when Kerr said great things about Reinsdorf...people booed him too. It didn't bother Reinsdorf, Paxson? Seemed a bit frustrated by the whole thing.....

 

[houheffna]

Since he's come back at least 5 or 6 times since the Cleveland trade I'm sure the Ben Wallace return factor is wearing off but I'm just curious.

Was anyone at this game?

Was there any kind of booing...heckling...teasing...anything directed at Ben Wallace?

I think he was an afterthought last night...no one paid him much attention.