Hawks @ Devils IGT: 03/27/2012

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Shootout stats this season.

New Jersey is 12-4 this year in the shootout. Obviously tops in the league. They are weird, but everyone knew that going into this game.

Pittsburgh (9-3), San Jose (8-5), Boston (8-2) and Detroit (7-2) are other notable teams that are strong in the shootout. Vancouver is 7-7.

Chicago is 5-5. .500 Tonight was the first road shootout loss of the year for the Hawks (2-1 now).

Here's the league stat sheet for shootouts:

http://www.nhl.com/stats/shootout_report.pdf

Hawks are right in the middle of the pack for shootouts. Worth noting (something I've pointed out in the past) Crawford is good in the shootout. His shootout save percentage is 4th best in the league this year (.824)



One last stat: the shootout is stupid.

 

[HawkWriter]

^^^ Crawford is great in the shootout. So amazingly patient and he rarely makes the first move. Takes some real balls to wait out a Kovalchuk type player.

 

[nwfisch]

One last stat: the shootout is stupid.

The only stat you need.

It's like if football decided to have a field goal contest instead of overtime.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Taken from Puck Daddy:

Did you know? Patrick Sharp's shootout goal marked the first time this season someone other than Jonathan Toews or Patrick Kane has scored in the skills competition for the Blackhawks.

 

[Diehardfan]

Taken from Puck Daddy:

Did you know? Patrick Sharp's shootout goal marked the first time this season someone other than Jonathan Toews or Patrick Kane has scored in the skills competition for the Blackhawks.

Didnt know that but its not surprising. Someone said they are .500 in shootouts, thats a testament to Crawford who despite his other flaws is quite good in the shootouts. Unless you have uncanny accuracy shooting low like Toews, you're really not playing the percentages. Goalies almost always at some point go down on the shot and unless you can hit the 5-hole or more importantly its not covered by the goalie's stick...thats all there really is down there. Going top shelf...the goalie has to move his head and eyes, his glove or blocker and most of the time doing it while going down.

There are no more standup Bernie Parents in the NHL. Shooting high is simply a better way to go.

BTW, I agree with you....the shoot out has become stale and kind of boring. I'd rather see more hockey.

 

[DewsSox79]

I don't get all the hate for the Blackhawks shootout.

I mean, Toews barely gets the puck off the ice and he is one of the best players in the shootout ever.

Sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't. I don't think there is anyone who coaches the players on the shootout, it is just instinct and trying to read the goalie for the most part.

right. Im sure they dont practice shootouts, check game film on recent shootouts, goalie tendancies matched with the specific players style and shot selection. yeah they just throw em out there and hope for the best. great insight.

 

[HawkWriter]

right. Im sure they dont practice shootouts, check game film on recent shootouts, goalie tendancies matched with the specific players style and shot selection. yeah they just throw em out there and hope for the best. great insight.

Did I say any of that? Unbelievable. Learn how to read my post and understand it.

Did I not say it is about reading the goaltender? Of course they practice it, where did I say they don't? By practicing it, they usually end a practice with it a lot of times.

He was talking about a special teams coach on shootouts...I'm sure all coaches give opinions. Hell, when I coached over the years (not coaching this year) I would give an opinion on a penalty shot...everyone on the bench would give their opinion.

At the end of the day it is instinct. Some players have it in the shootout and some don't. Certain players have their 1 move that they feel comfortable with and will always go to it, regardless of the goalie.

Reading comprehension. I guess you can either learn it or keep throwing in smileys.

 

[#19]

I've been very skeptical of Shaw but he was everywhere last night. The Hawks got a lot of contributions from the non-stars. Shaw, Stalberg, and Leddy were particulary good. Kane was invisible and that 5-3 was a nothing.

 

[southern_cross_116]

The only stat you need.

It's like if football decided to have a field goal contest instead of overtime.

The single best analogy regarding the penalty shot competition ever... they ought to branch it out though to encompass all of the rest of the skills competitions after 3 shooters apiece... then they can have a goal line to goal line race, an accuracy contest, and then ---- which towel boy snaps the hardest ...

or just drop the bs and bring back the tie -it is only regular season after all.

 

[HawkWriter]

I understand what the NHL is trying to accomplish with the shootout and with having a winner in every game, and in the end I'm fine with that even if I don't agree with it.

What I don't agree with though...a shootout "win" being worth as much as a regulation win. I'm a big fan of the 3 point regulation win.

3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an OT Win/SO win
1 point for an OT Loss/SO loss

I hate seeing teams get rewarded for shootout wins when that isn't a team win, that is an individualized skill competition.

 

[MotorCityCub]

I prefer the way the CCHA awards points. 3 points for a regulation or OT win. 2 points for a shootout win an 1 point for a shootout loss. In essence, win a hockey game get 3 points. Win a skills competition only 2 points.

The only difference is that the CCHA plays 5 on 5 in OT.

 

[#19]

Go to 10 minutes of OT. If no one scores, it's a tie. If anyone is whining about a tie after 10 minutes of 4*4 then they should shut their piehole! OT, 4*4 hockey is great.

 

[nwfisch]

Or get rid of the shootout altogether.

 

[icehogfan08]

I don't mind the shootout at all. Definitely need the 3 point system though.

 

[nwfisch]

I don't mind the shootout at all. Definitely need the 3 point system though.

I just don't get why these players play hard for 65 minutes, to be decided by a skill, instead of finishing it off on the ice?

I don't see football having field goal contests to end games.

I don't see baseball having a HR derby to end games.

I don't see basketball having a 3 pt. contest to end games.

Just play sudden death OT to the end.

 

[nickofypres]

I just don't get why these players play hard for 65 minutes, to be decided by a skill, instead of finishing it off on the ice?

I don't see football having field goal contests to end games.

I don't see baseball having a HR derby to end games.

I don't see basketball having a 3 pt. contest to end games.

Just play sudden death OT to the end.

If I could thank this a million times I would.

 

[DewsSox79]

I just don't get why these players play hard for 65 minutes, to be decided by a skill, instead of finishing it off on the ice?

I don't see football having field goal contests to end games.

I don't see baseball having a HR derby to end games.

I don't see basketball having a 3 pt. contest to end games.

Just play sudden death OT to the end.

players will get tired and lose their firez and passion.

Of course a game should be ended by a real legit goal. The shootout is getting old. go 10 mins of 4 on 4 and split the 2 points if no one scores.

 

[HawkWriter]

I just don't get why these players play hard for 65 minutes, to be decided by a skill, instead of finishing it off on the ice?

I don't see football having field goal contests to end games.

I don't see baseball having a HR derby to end games.

I don't see basketball having a 3 pt. contest to end games.

Just play sudden death OT to the end.

While I am not a fan of the shootout, even though I understand its purpose and what the NHL is going for, I would be against this idea much more. With the overall grind of the season something like could get out of hand, especially with how many overtime games there are almost every night.

 

[nwfisch]

While I am not a fan of the shootout, even though I understand its purpose and what the NHL is going for, I would be against this idea much more. With the overall grind of the season something like could get out of hand, especially with how many overtime games there are almost every night.

I would think a team could score a goal relatively quickly in a 20:00 OT, 5 v 5. If not, they could call it a tie after 80 minutes. There's overtime in two other sports to the end, and one can be a tie after a full OT period. Even though the Blackhawks are decent in the shootout, and I like to watch, I think its better for the game to have a full OT period to determine a winner.

 

[HawkWriter]

I would think a team could score a goal relatively quickly in a 20:00 OT, 5 v 5. If not, they could call it a tie after 80 minutes. There's overtime in two other sports to the end, and one can be a tie after a full OT period. Even though the Blackhawks are decent in the shootout, and I like to watch, I think its better for the game to have a full OT period to determine a winner.

Considering we routinely see 2+ OT every playoff year (and even up to a record 6 OTs) I wouldn't assume that.

An extra 20 minutes would just kill that team. What about if they had to turn around and play another game the next night?

5 minutes of overtime is fine. 10 minutes is pushing it a little. I'm fine with the shootout because for the NHL it serves a purpose of ending the game and getting a winner. I'm not a fan of it but I understand it.