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Well, I specifically left out the offensive part on purpose. I was responding to another post specifically about his defensive ability.
Well, I specifically left out the offensive part on purpose. I was responding to another post specifically about his defensive ability.
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For **** sakes the guy is making more than Nick Lidstrom.
Points:
Lidstrom- 44
Soupy- 18
Now you tell me who's producing?
+/- shit isn't producing.
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Soupy hasn't played every game either, he was out some time with an injury. And for the +/- it shows Soupy has been our best D-men, hes providing defensively and offensively.
We seen it when Soupy was was out he is a very impotant piece to this line-up, his contract sucks, so what every team has a bad contract.
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Fair enough, but the guy is the whole package - he isn't Bobby Orr, but he isn't worthless either.
+/- ... Some of that is effected by specialty teams play. PP goals don't count for +/- when you are on the ice, but shorties do.
But I will say that I was surprised to see Campbell at +22 the other day -as it seemed like the entire team was basically treading water ( gf close to ga as a team).
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You are joking every time you post here, right? I feel it's all an elaborate ruse that you're using for a lengthy case study on the subject of online sports fan interactions.
It's a worthwhile study you're doing, but I think you have a large enough sample to finish your thesis.
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+/- is a gray stat in hockey.
it isnt like baseball where it is an individual sport, hockey is a team sport. so player X is in his posistion doing the right thing, but player Y coughs up the puck and bam....goal. player x was doing his job but gets a - for being on the ice. and it can go vice versa, player x is not doing his job, dogs it, or trips etc, but player b pick pockets the opponent and scores and player x gets a +.
it isnt like baseball where it is an individual sport, hockey is a team sport. so player X is in his posistion doing the right thing, but player Y coughs up the puck and bam....goal. player x was doing his job but gets a - for being on the ice. and it can go vice versa, player x is not doing his job, dogs it, or trips etc, but player b pick pockets the opponent and scores and player x gets a +.
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C'mon Dewey, watching the games back Soupy up with the stat. Hammer was having a hell of a time at the beginning of the year. Since Soupy has returned the team play has been better, Goals Against have somewhat gone down, Powerplay has made a huge jump, and getting th puck out of the zone is better too.
I agree it can be a gray area at times, but with Campbell out there, he has increased many of these guys +/-
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im not specifically talking about campbell, i am talking about +/- ya cockrock, and in bold it backs up my statement of it being gray, "Campbell out there, he has increased many of these guys +/-"
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ooooh you disagreed with dewey...get ready for alot of these:
I didnt even have to dismantle his post, he did for me with his last statement which backs up my arguement.
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Well I was talking about Campbell. I'm just pointing out what Campbells play has done for this team, and yet posters still say he needs to be traded, etc.
Campbell out there causes less turn overs, we have that puck moving d-man, that none of the other guys proved they could do while hewas out.
Campbell isn't the best defensive guy, but he has stepped up his game and played the way others haven't. So for people to come on here and say he doesn't povide anything is dumb. In that case Keith has been terible and we need to move his really bad contract.
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I am not saying that he is bad or has been bad.
If you think we are cup contenders this year, than you keep him. ( i dont think we are)
if we arent realistically cup contenders, move that salary now while his value is high, not during the offseason.
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I don't think you'll find too many people who will disagree with you that the while Campbell has been important and good at ES his contract is bad paper. I also don't think you will find too many people who disagree with you that the Hawks are not cup contenders this season either.
I'm not sure what kind of value can be had in return. There are some other horseshit contracts out there that teams would love to get rid of, but that comes with a player with far less ability than Soupy.
Do you think we can be cup contenders without him after this year when there is a lot more cap space available to deal with the paper thin depth the team has at forward (not to mention a bunch of core players having years to forget)?
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We are as much a contender as the other 4-14 seeded teams. Trading ourmost consistent D-man makes us more of a non contender.
Its a salary cap era, you will almost have to take back a salary amount like Campbell's or if not more.
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