Hey Sheep:

[beckdawg]

Seems clear to me that the Ricketts are min/max type people and that cost efficiency is important to them. While I can see how some would take that for cheap, I think it's more a case of them wanting a lean payroll. Put another way, think Tampa with around $30 mil more in yearly payroll to re-sign some of their own. People want them to be the Yankees or Dodgers. What I want to know is when/if ownership will back up that claim of the money being there when needed because they missed out on Ryu, Darvish, Sanchez, and Tanaka.

 

[SilenceS]

They are money people. You are correct. The difference is they don't necessarily need a winner if they make money. Steinbrenner was all about winning no matter what. Ricketts fucked himself when he said he plans on being the Yankees of the national league and then cut every corner they can to lower payroll.


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[2323]

Who is making the case that the entire team will be made up of prospects? Everyone I talk to here know that FA's will happen, just not until we have something here to pair up with those signings.

That's not what Theo said when he was hired. In fact, he said the exact opposite.

Why do people contort and tailor their comments around clinging to the flimsy belief that the Ricketts aren't trying to scam everyone. Many would say someone who is easily scammed is a fool. And yes, all this talk around giving the Ricketts the benefit of the doubt is contortionism.

 

[chibears55]

Sorry! But I don't believe everything that is told to me, especially from salesmen who tell me that the worst stretch in Cubs history is a good thing, that it will result in sustained success, and to be patient and trust them.

Good Lord! Who has the blinders on here?

where did this come from ? has nothing to do with what was being discussed.. oh well, we shall move on

 

[2323]

everyone you talk to here on this site is in agreement? lol. and, how do they know fa's signings will happen?

what about what's already happened? a payroll that's going down, not up. the ricketts can't even beat the rooftop owners, and they can't even get a meeting with the landmarks commission in chicago.

Maybe it's good that they're getting nowhere with these people. Maybe they should be more worried about honoring the people who actually pay them good money by acting in good faith by trying to win. The Cubs are top 5 in revenue. Maybe this is a sign that the Ricketts should stop trying to scam everyone.

 

[2323]

where did this come from ? has nothing to do with what was being discussed.. oh well, we shall move on

It was very germane.

 

[chibears55]

everyone you talk to here on this site is in agreement? lol.

who ? you, fisch, and boo ? your the only ones who keep mentioning that

and, how do they know fa's signings will happen?

they've signed FAs every year so far, why would they stop now ?

 

[justaChifan]

I never said that.
Technically speaking they already have tried with Tanaka. And I do believe the GM when they say they are waiting for the right time.
That was expected, wsince that is exactly what we were told would happen

None of this is actually accurate.

Give Hoch kudos for being a GOOD soldier.

 

[justaChifan]

who ? you, fisch, and boo ? your the only ones who keep mentioning that



they've signed FAs every year so far, why would they stop now ?

Impact free agents?
Free agents that meet their certain criteria?
Free agents that may be part of the sustained success?
I don't think so.

 

[chibears55]

Impact free agents?
Free agents that meet their certain criteria?
Free agents that may be part of the sustained success?
I don't think so.

Have you seen the FA list for the next 2 yrs ?
Not much on the impact side of things or players youd give more then a 3 year deal to.
I would say 95% are players over 32, so no they wouldn't exactly qualify as that big impact player to be part of the sustained success.

Certain criteria ? If you mean someone to hold a spot for a season or two til you can replace with someone younger and or better, then yes there will be plenty choices there

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[Boobaby1]

Have you seen the FA list for the next 2 yrs ?
Not much on the impact side of things or players youd give more then a 3 year deal to.
I would say 95% are players over 32, so no they wouldn't exactly qualify as that big impact player to be part of the sustained success.

Certain criteria ? If you mean someone to hold a spot for a season or two til you can replace with someone younger and or better, then yes there will be plenty choices there

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Why don't you quit giving the Cubs a pat on the back every time because they gave an effort at trying to sign a free agent? They haven't signed Jack Squat since they have been here, and don't say that they are waiting for signage because that is buillshit too or else they wouldn't have even attempted to go after Sanchez or Tanaka.

As I have said before, the Cubs have signed only ONE elite FA in the existence of the franchise, that being Soriano (without signage and a mega TV deal), and everyone hated on the Cubs for doing that.

Now, a certain few around here think that when Theo pushes the magic buttons, that FA's will flock to the Cubs simply because they have Rizzo, Castro (maybe) Bryant and Baez, and on a losing team no less.

And need I remind you since you seem to think that everything Theo states is the gospel and I am the one with blinders on, he also said that the Cubs would not be outbid on Tanaka.

And before you spew out that I am a Theo hater.....save your breath because I am not. I simply don't believe talk, and seeing (not hearing) is believing.

Talk is cheap. Always has been, always will be.

 

[justaChifan]

Have you seen the FA list for the next 2 yrs ?
Not much on the impact side of things or players youd give more then a 3 year deal to.
I would say 95% are players over 32, so no they wouldn't exactly qualify as that big impact player to be part of the sustained success.

Certain criteria ? If you mean someone to hold a spot for a season or two til you can replace with someone younger and or better, then yes there will be plenty choices there


Ricketts and the FO are in no hurry to build "sustained success" until their forced to.

 

[chibears55]

Why don't you quit giving the Cubs a pat on the back every time because they gave an effort at trying to sign a free agent? They haven't signed Jack Squat since they have been here, and don't say that they are waiting for signage because that is buillshit too or else they wouldn't have even attempted to go after Sanchez or Tanaka.

As I have said before, the Cubs have signed only ONE elite FA in the existence of the franchise, that being Soriano (without signage and a mega TV deal), and everyone hated on the Cubs for doing that.

Now, a certain few around here think that when Theo pushes the magic buttons, that FA's will flock to the Cubs simply because they have Rizzo, Castro (maybe) Bryant and Baez, and on a losing team no less.

And need I remind you since you seem to think that everything Theo states is the gospel and I am the one with blinders on, he also said that the Cubs would not be outbid on Tanaka.

And before you spew out that I am a Theo hater.....save your breath because I am not. I simply don't believe talk, and seeing (not hearing) is believing.

Talk is cheap. Always has been, always will be.

What you quoted me saying had nothing to do what I think sbout Ricketts or epstein or my thought on what they've done.
It was about future FAs
Everything you just wrote here had nothing to do with the conversation at hand. .




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[chibears55]

Have you seen the FA list for the next 2 yrs ?
Not much on the impact side of things or players youd give more then a 3 year deal to.
I would say 95% are players over 32, so no they wouldn't exactly qualify as that big impact player to be part of the sustained success.

Certain criteria ? If you mean someone to hold a spot for a season or two til you can replace with someone younger and or better, then yes there will be plenty choices there


Ricketts and the FO are in no hurry to build "sustained success" until their forced to.

Or until their ready too...
Your opinion. . My opinion. .
We can argue all day about who right , bottom line is we wont know til that day comes..

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[justaChifan]

Or until their ready too...
Your opinion. . My opinion. .
We can argue all day about who right , bottom line is we wont know til that day comes..

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Sorry, but that day will come quicker if fans show a little more impatience, regardless of how much Theo warned fans the rebuild would be painful. Instant gratification was lost in '13

 

[Boobaby1]

What you quoted me saying had nothing to do what I think sbout Ricketts or epstein or my thought on what they've done.
It was about future FAs
Everything you just wrote here had nothing to do with the conversation at hand. .




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Future free agents, past free agents. Does it really matter? They aren't going to get the elite until they start bending the rules or simply overpay which I have seen nothing of the sort that they will ever do. I could be wrong, but when you buck the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Tigers, and others, you have to throw down the gauntlet to net an elite free agent. Hell, the Mariners went all in on Cano. The Cubs can't even go 1/3rd of that and get a Sanchez with payroll dropping by half.

The excuses of this year their won't be any free agents is horseshit. The waiting for prospects and then we will get free agents is horseshit. It's another way of pulling the wool over the fans eyes, and apparently there are a lot that are still buying it.

You don't have to wait for the prospects, and then add the free agents. It doesn't have to be only one way.

Not sure how not signing a player to a 6 or 7 year deal and opting for 1 year, mediocre players violates the competing element of the Cubs unless they don't plan on being competitive in 6-to 7 years.

And if you think I am disappointed in the Cubs as a whole, well I guess I am. I bet if you polled the Cubs players, they wouldn't say everything is rosy and on pace to sustained success as they sit with the worst record in baseball and prepare for another apparent sell-off.

They want to win too, and I bet continuous frustration from losing has started spilling over onto the players which isn't good. It's no wonder why free agents opt elsewhere instead of the Cubs. When you keep a losing tradition going, why would they want to come here?

 

[chibears55]

Future free agents, past free agents. Does it really matter? They aren't going to get the elite until they start bending the rules or simply overpay which I have seen nothing of the sort that they will ever do. .

As I pointed out , if you look at the FA list for the next 2 yrs. there are NO ELITE players on that list that you keep referring to..
Most players are 32 and over , past their prime yrs.
So yea it really matters when your talking about future FAs..





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[Parade_Rain]

As I pointed out , if you look at the FA list for the next 2 yrs. there are NO ELITE players on that list that you keep referring to..
Most players are 32 and over , past their prime yrs.
So yea it really matters when your talking about future FAs..





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Not looking at the list, but what you seem to be saying is that it isn't worth signing a 32 year old because they could only help you win championships for a couple of years, as opposed to not getting any help to win a single championship. Perhaps I've misinterpreted your position.

 

[2323]

Or until their ready too...
Your opinion. . My opinion. .
We can argue all day about who right , bottom line is we wont know til that day comes..

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Wow, you're naive.

 

[2323]

Sorry, but that day will come quicker if fans show a little more impatience, regardless of how much Theo warned fans the rebuild would be painful. Instant gratification was lost in '13

More impatience? As we speak, there's a million fan march...and they're walking away from Wrigley Field. And it's been working up to this gradually since the Ricketts have owned the team.