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And you would think that the Owner and FO should have never opened their DAMN mouths in selling the Cubs fans about "sustained success".

If they would keep their FUCKING yappers shut, quit promising things, fans won't expect anything.

I'd agree they aren't doing a very good job of PR saying stupid shit like that. That being said, it's typical losing team speak. If you look at any team in any sport who's been losing for several years they all think this will be the year.
 

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I'd agree they aren't doing a very good job of PR saying stupid shit like that. That being said, it's typical losing team speak. If you look at any team in any sport who's been losing for several years they all think this will be the year.


bought sold hook line and sinker TR we have a winner here. Get him in the Org. if he ain't already
 

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Sorry, but your post read like excuse making.

Well let me clarify then. When whichever Rickets said they can be an 83 win team or whatever the quote was, that was fucking idiotic. Look, call me optimistic and all that but I said I thought they were a 70-75 win prior to the year. I still think they have an outside shot at that depending on what happens with Shark. If they trade him then they probably have no shot at 70 wins. To suggest they are any better than even prior to the season was beyond unrealistic. I acknowledge my estimate was on the high side but numerous projections agreed so I don't think it was that unrealistic. So, when someone comes over the top with 83 it's honestly stupid.

All I was getting at is that owner speak is fucking stupid in general. My point was that no one should ever listen to what an owner says unless that owner has proven himself to have said competent things in the past. And typically, owners who've had losing teams for awhile will generally say even more stupid shit.
 

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Well let me clarify then. When whichever Rickets said they can be an 83 win team or whatever the quote was, that was fucking idiotic. Look, call me optimistic and all that but I said I thought they were a 70-75 win prior to the year. I still think they have an outside shot at that depending on what happens with Shark. If they trade him then they probably have no shot at 70 wins. To suggest they are any better than even prior to the season was beyond unrealistic. I acknowledge my estimate was on the high side but numerous projections agreed so I don't think it was that unrealistic. So, when someone comes over the top with 83 it's honestly stupid.

All I was getting at is that owner speak is fucking stupid in general. My point was that no one should ever listen to what an owner says unless that owner has proven himself to have said competent things in the past. And typically, owners who've had losing teams for awhile will generally say even more stupid shit.


Your statement begs the question, Should that be a confidence builder, for the general fan, with present ownership?
I've been a Cub fan longer than I care to mention.
TR is more concerned with building a winner at the gate than on the field....My opinion.
 

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Your statement begs the question, Should that be a confidence builder, for the general fan, with present ownership?
I've been a Cub fan longer than I care to mention.
TR is more concerned with building a winner at the gate than on the field....My opinion.

Wonder when the fans will start booing him for his lack of performance like they were so quick to do with Soriano? Of course, I guess they could be booing him by not buying season tickets like they have been doing.
 

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CO is back! love it! he will takeover as the founding father of cubs apologists! congrats co!


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CO is back! love it! he will takeover as the founding father of cubs apologists! congrats co!


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I'm not defending the Ricketts. I want a winner. This next offseason is where we find out what cards they have been playing the whole time. Perhaps sooner if they trade Shark. Not saying that if they do trade Shark they aren't going to be competitive next year. If you can sell high enough, regardless of the state of the team, you should.
 

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Your statement begs the question, Should that be a confidence builder, for the general fan, with present ownership?
I've been a Cub fan longer than I care to mention.
TR is more concerned with building a winner at the gate than on the field....My opinion.

What that they are saying stupid shit? If that's what you're questioning, I don't really see that they matter outside of money. I mean if Beane can build a winner in Oakland of all places, then ownership really isn't the issue. It's about how good the front office is given the resources they have. Theo may not be Beane but he's also got more money to work with.

I suppose you could say that their competence will impact future revenue creation. We've already seen this to an extent with the rooftop shit taking forever. But, from a purely roster creation standpoint I don't really see that they matter.
 

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As to the first paragraphy, how has declining attendance change spending habits the past 4 years? That's the point. It doesn't and it wont or at least in the way you want it to. I'm not telling people to go to games. However, avoiding them isn't doing anything either. If it continues long enough one of two things will happen. They will either reduce payroll to the point where they are perennial bottom feeders using lack of attendance as an excuse or they will move the team and use lack of attendance as an excuse. As I said before, show me an example of a fanbase forcing the sale of the team. Even the Expos essentially was Loria trading them for the Marlins where coincidentally he went right back to being a tight ass.

As to the second paragraph, I just don't see what people are getting out of it. As I said before, I'm not saying you have to be rainbow and sunshine. The cubs offense fucking sucks. If you want to discuss that to the end of days cool. That's actually about baseball. If you think the team should sign/trade for x player and want to discuss that great. My problem with people bitching about what they spend is who's arguing against it? Has anyone here ever said "No, the cubs shouldn't have another $20 mil to spend on payroll"? It's an uninteresting topic. Payroll is what payroll is going to be and every team's fans think they should have more.

I just want to talk about what happens on the field or at the very least, someone who may actually play on the field. At this point, anything there is to say about ownership has already been said 100x over. It's stale and uninteresting.


When the Ricketts bought the team, the Cubs had one of the most dedicated fan bases. If that is lost, it's on the Ricketts, not the fans. And if they arrive to a point where they move the team, by that time the Cubs will be so irrelevant that no one will care. I'd rather the Ricketts move the team than make everyone endure their nonsense. If they think they will have a better thing going somewhere else, they should move the team. But there's really no guarantee they'll ever have a more dedicated fan tase than the Cubs did when the Ricketts bought the team. If they move the team, it's a black eye on the Ricketts and Major League Baseball--not the fans.

Like I said, this isn't an "avoid upsetting beckdawg" forum. The thread topic has been clearly established. If it bothers you seeing people discuss the Ricketts trying to take advantage of the gullible, you don't have to access the thread.

Btw, there's really nothing worthwhile on the field except the season Shark is having. Beyond that, it's about trading Samardzija and nonsense with the Ricketts.
 

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Like I said, this isn't an "avoid upsetting beckdawg" forum. The thread topic has been clearly established. If it bothers you seeing people discuss the Ricketts trying to take advantage of the gullible, you don't have to access the thread.

And that would be fine... if it were only this thread. If you go into the prospect discussion thread people are called sheep for believing some of the prospects will pan out and believing ownership. If you go into the in game topics there's crap about the ownership. This happens on and on and on and on. It's at the point where it basically comes up in every topic. This shit is as bad as the Cutler talk is/was/has been on the bears board. And it's not just upsetting me. I'd say about 75% of the regulars here don't give a shit about it anymore. However, the other 25% want to talk about it constantly. And if they want to do that fine but for the love of god can we keep it in one topic? You know the one that is sticked and says "The Front Office And Ownership Thread"?

As for not having other stuff to talk about, if Shark and ownership is all you have to talk about then you're not looking very hard. There's Rizzo and what his potential impact will be as he starts to enter his prime. He's having a legitimate all-star season. There's one of the best young bullpens in the majors which currently sits 8th in ERA at 3.17 and that's with the shitty play from Veras included. There's any number of other topics to talk about and you don't even have to dig that deep.
 

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There's any number of other topics to talk about and you don't even have to dig that deep.

Like how the Cubs have the worst 3 year record in franchise history?
 

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Like how the Cubs have the worst 3 year record in franchise history?

If you want to talk about that fine. But **** can we leave the associated ownership discussion out unless you're doing it in the ownership thread? My problem with it is inevitably you get someone to come and defend the owners to some minor extent and then it turns into 5 pages of the same debate that's been had in seemingly every topic for the past 6 months.
 

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Like how the Cubs have the worst 3 year record in franchise history?

The only way that argument makes sense is if you count the number of losses. You have to compare it to the number of games. Thus, winning percentage. It's not the worst 3 year winning percentage. I get it, we've been bad, but it's not the worst the Cubs, the notorious losers, have been.

I could say that the Cubs only lost 14 games in 1876, thus they are the best team in the history of the Cubs. If you compare it to the number of games, you can see that it's clearly not.
 

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Which is exactly what makes the worst teams in franchise history.

If team A loses 100 out of 162 games and team B loses 99 out of 150 games, which team is worse?

By your logic, team A. But it's not hard to see that if team B played the same number of games, they would have lost more.
 

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I think people could handle this worse stretch if they were mildly entertaining. Outside of the pitching there isn't anything to watch.
 

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If team A loses 100 out of 162 games and team B loses 99 out of 150 games, which team is worse?

By your logic, team A. But it's not hard to see that if team B played the same number of games, they would have lost more.
But that's the beauty of baseball. All teams play 162 games so they are on equal footing.
 

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