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[BigP50]

Bandwagon riding at its finest lol.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Go BADGERS!!!

 

[Lefty]

Bandwagon riding at its finest lol.

I hate this stupid, stupid argument, and I guess it should come as no surprise that BigP was the one throwing it down. Look, being a "good fan" does not necessitate following and otherwise consuming a horrible team and/or a horrible organization as a whole, it just doesn't. In fact, I would go so far as to argue that the people who routinely say "I'll follow this team through thick and thin, no matter what" are the ones with issues, not the people that don't wish to consume horrendous baseball/football/whatever.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Well my thing is Lefty, I like my favorite teams in their respective sports and just can't whole heartedly root for other teams unless circumstances permit me to

 

[DewsSox79]

I hate this stupid, stupid argument, and I guess it should come as no surprise that BigP was the one throwing it down. Look, being a "good fan" does not necessitate following and otherwise consuming a horrible team and/or a horrible organization as a whole, it just doesn't. In fact, I would go so far as to argue that the people who routinely say "I'll follow this team through thick and thin, no matter what" are the ones with issues, not the people that don't wish to consume horrendous baseball/football/whatever.

not really, you can follow them through thick and thin, but during the thin seasons the fan is not going to be happy. I guess I did it with the hawks since I was a child, seen some pretty damn flat out awful teams but grew up still going to games and watching them, even though i knew they were bad and knew they wouldnt win a damn thing.

but if you arent following your team through the "thin" and through the "horrendous" gameplay you would be a bandwagon fan because you would only be following during the good seasons......am i missing something? because that is how i see your post.

 

[tbo41fan]

I hate this stupid, stupid argument, and I guess it should come as no surprise that BigP was the one throwing it down. Look, being a "good fan" does not necessitate following and otherwise consuming a horrible team and/or a horrible organization as a whole, it just doesn't. In fact, I would go so far as to argue that the people who routinely say "I'll follow this team through thick and thin, no matter what" are the ones with issues, not the people that don't wish to consume horrendous baseball/football/whatever.

What?

Are you serious here?
The TRUE fans of a team support them no matter what their record is...the ones who choose to root for teams only when they are good are the scum of fans...

not really, you can follow them through thick and thin, but during the thin seasons the fan is not going to be happy. I guess I did it with the hawks since I was a child, seen some pretty damn flat out awful teams but grew up still going to games and watching them, even though i knew they were bad and knew they wouldnt win a damn thing.

but if you arent following your team through the "thin" and through the "horrendous" gameplay you would be a bandwagon fan because you would only be following during the good seasons......am i missing something? because that is how i see your post.

As did I, yet i continued watching every game, cheering on my team

 

[Lefty]

What?

Are you serious here?
The TRUE fans of a team support them no matter what their record is...the ones who choose to root for teams only when they are good are the scum of fans...

This is a common misconception. There is a big difference between "root for your team" and "consume your team". Take me, for instance, I'm a Bears fan, and I want them to do well, and I will enjoy it if they are a good team, you can say I "root" for them. However, considering they have fielded a shit team along with horrendous drafting and an undeserved arrogance (to everyone, disgruntled fans, the media, etc.), I am not going to "consume" them. I'll flip on the games once in awhile to check the scores, or follow them on the internet, but I am not going to shell out a dime to otherwise enjoy or partake in the team/organization more so than I already do. No jerseys, no shirts, no hats, no tickets, no nothing until they become a team worthy of what little money I have.

Now, if your argument is that someone's "rooting for" and "consuming of" their chosen team should be the same throughout good and bad times, then you are no better than the Special person Hawks fans that called into the Score complaining about how they are pissed off because they can't afford tickets to the games anymore even though they shelled out their hard earned money to watch a team that absolutely blew for X amount of years previous, because you are inherently arguing that "true fans" should spend equal amounts of money on teams that may or may not be hot garbage.

 

[tbo41fan]

This is a common misconception. There is a big difference between "root for your team" and "consume your team". Take me, for instance, I'm a Bears fan, and I want them to do well, and I will enjoy it if they are a good team, you can say I "root" for them. However, considering they have fielded a shit team along with horrendous drafting and an undeserved arrogance (to everyone, disgruntled fans, the media, etc.), I am not going to "consume" them. I'll flip on the games once in awhile to check the scores, or follow them on the internet, but I am not going to shell out a dime to otherwise enjoy or partake in the team/organization more so than I already do. No jerseys, no shirts, no hats, no tickets, no nothing until they become a team worthy of what little money I have.

Now, if your argument is that someone's "rooting for" and "consuming of" their chosen team should be the same throughout good and bad times, then you are no better than the Special person Hawks fans that called into the Score complaining about how they are pissed off because they can't afford tickets to the games anymore even though they shelled out their hard earned money to watch a team that absolutely blew for X amount of years previous, because you are inherently arguing that "true fans" should spend equal amounts of money on teams that may or may not be hot garbage.

It should be...

Hawks fans who just learned what hockey was last year are no fans IMO....make them sit through the bad teams that older fans had to...they wouldnt be fans anymore.

I just have a hard time with people calling themselves fans when they only find their team relevant when they win

 

[Capt. Serious]

This is a common misconception. There is a big difference between "root for your team" and "consume your team". Take me, for instance, I'm a Bears fan, and I want them to do well, and I will enjoy it if they are a good team, you can say I "root" for them. However, considering they have fielded a shit team along with horrendous drafting and an undeserved arrogance (to everyone, disgruntled fans, the media, etc.), I am not going to "consume" them. I'll flip on the games once in awhile to check the scores, or follow them on the internet, but I am not going to shell out a dime to otherwise enjoy or partake in the team/organization more so than I already do. No jerseys, no shirts, no hats, no tickets, no nothing until they become a team worthy of what little money I have.

Now, if your argument is that someone's "rooting for" and "consuming of" their chosen team should be the same throughout good and bad times, then you are no better than the Special person Hawks fans that called into the Score complaining about how they are pissed off because they can't afford tickets to the games anymore even though they shelled out their hard earned money to watch a team that absolutely blew for X amount of years previous, because you are inherently arguing that "true fans" should spend equal amounts of money on teams that may or may not be hot garbage.

Is name calling a must?:shrug:

 

[Lefty]

It should be...

Hawks fans who just learned what hockey was last year are no fans IMO....make them sit through the bad teams that older fans had to...they wouldnt be fans anymore.

I just have a hard time with people calling themselves fans when they only find their team relevant when they win

You didn't really answer my kinda-question, so I'll ask again: are you saying that to be a "good" fan, one must follow/watch/want them to do well (root) and buy tickets/jerseys/tv packages to follow the team/other team-related goods in equal amounts completely irregardless of team performance?

Is name calling a must?:shrug:

Those people were Special person, what do you want from me? And I didn't call anyone on here anything, so enough with the obvious quest for mod-ship, GMAMFB.

 

[tbo41fan]

You didn't really answer my kinda-question, so I'll ask again: are you saying that to be a "good" fan, one must follow/watch/want them to do well (root) and buy tickets/jerseys/tv packages to follow the team/other team-related goods in equal amounts completely irregardless of team performance?

I wouldn't say so much on the jerseys and tv packages, but true fans root for their teams no matter how bad they are. If the Bears are having a bad season, do you not buy a jersey or not wear one? I would still do both because I am a fan of that team and I support that team

 

[nickofypres]

but true fans root for their teams no matter how bad they are.

Agreed.

 

[Lefty]

I wouldn't say so much on the jerseys and tv packages, but true fans root for their teams no matter how bad they are. If the Bears are having a bad season, do you not buy a jersey or not wear one? I would still do both because I am a fan of that team and I support that team

Ok, it seems that you might not be able to separate "rooting for your team" from "consuming your team" just yet, which is fine, for a long time they have been seen as one positive action.

I guess what really needs to be defined is "rooting for one's team". What does that necessitate? A want for the team to do well? Discussion of the team? I don't know.

 

[nickofypres]

I guess what really needs to be defined is "rooting for one's team". What does that necessitate? A want for the team to do well? Discussion of the team? I don't know.

Lefty, your my boy, and I love ya and all, but come on now. You know what he's getting at.

Rooting - supporting by fallowing the scores, standings, transactions, knowing the history, rosters, etc. And a fan should at least be doing most of that regardless of the season. Hell, I do that from Ohiaya on Chicago teams.

Then there is the fans that buy season tickets, the tv deals, that "consume" the team as you put it.

 

[Lefty]

If those are all things you have to do to be considered a "real" fan of a shitty team, then I'm perfectly fine not being considered one and have no problem with others that feel the same way.

 

[nickofypres]

If looking up scores, standings and knowing a little history is too much to be a fan then maybe its not worth while liking them in the first place?

Not saying that's what your inferring, just making a point.

 

[nickofypres]

Thinking about it, I guess there really shouldn't be a thing that makes someone a true fan or not. People are allowed to root for their team how they want.

If someone wants to be Mr. Gun Ho walking history book about a franchise and has season tickets for every game since 1975 and someone else is more casual about it, their fanship shouldn't be questioned.

 

[Captain Iago]

Is name calling a must?:shrug:

Those people were Special person, what do you want from me? And I didn't call anyone on here anything, so enough with the obvious quest for mod-ship, GMAMFB.

I'm sure Joe's daddy is thrilled with all of the Special person Hawk fans he can rip off.

 

[Mike Check]

This team without Konerko and AJ and without any significant offensive additions is an under .500 team. I predict Gavin Floyd gets traded, he is so damn inconsistent and has not progressed like Danks has. Buehrle, Jackson, Danks, Sale, Peavy, and maybe Garcia can round out the rotation. Take the 5 mil you save from launching Floyd to re sign Paulie. As for old vets, I like someone like Erik Hinske off the bench. His power should translate well at US Cellular, and he should come cheap.

 

[DewsSox79]

This team without Konerko and AJ and without any significant offensive additions is an under .500 team. I predict Gavin Floyd gets traded, he is so damn inconsistent and has not progressed like Danks has. Buehrle, Jackson, Danks, Sale, Peavy, and maybe Garcia can round out the rotation. Take the 5 mil you save from launching Floyd to re sign Paulie. As for old vets, I like someone like Erik Hinske off the bench. His power should translate well at US Cellular, and he should come cheap.

im thinking a sub to .500 team. .500 at best imo. sale should not be in the rotation, if the sox want to destroy a pitcher fast, put sale in the rotation.