How close are the Bears to being competitive?

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I have always said next year was when “the window” opens and they wouldn’t truly be competitive until then.

I still feel that way. Build the lines some more this offseason. Get a new HC. CW keeps improving.

It’s not a given. They still have to make the right moves. But nothing that I’ve seen so far has dissuaded me from thinking good times are a year away.

Am I wrong?

(For the purpose of this discussion I will define competitive as a team that can make the playoffs and have a shot at winning a game)

If I am wrong how far away are the Bears? Total tear down stage? Two years?

You are not wrong.

Get good coaching, add a pass rusher in round 1 and stack the offensive line in FA and the draft, and you have a competitive team, even with losing Allen.
 

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I think Shelton is a classic example of people not being able to see past their first impression. He got his ass kicked early…. Especially the first game… but lately has been OK. (Or at least I haven’t noticed him getting destroyed).

I’m sure there’s a few here that will chime in immediately if he has a bad game though
He’s been way better since like week 3, and he’s been much better than whitehair, Patrick, mustipher.

That being said - I would’ve really liked a center that is more middle of the road as opposed to bottom 10 as a ceiling with bottom of the league as a floor.

I think this position is largely overlooked and is a very important position on the line
 

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Most here wanted JMS who now has a 48.9 pass block grade his 2nd year and has given up 2 sacks and 19 pressures.

Meanwhile after a rough start, Shelton actually has a 72.1 pass block grade and has given up 1 sack and 12 pressures.

Or maybe Juice Scruggs who has given up 3 sacks and 14 pressures with a 68 pass block grade.

Or maybe Stromberg who was cut by the Commanders and now is on Bears PS.

These guys have no clue. They just like to **** and pretend the draft is magic and whoever Poles passed on was a stud when in fact they are playing worse than the dude they all think is trash.
You remember that time you made a grading system and explained how the bears were improved and then they finished dead last in the nfl?
 

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He’s been way better since like week 3, and he’s been much better than whitehair, Patrick, mustipher.

That being said - I would’ve really liked a center that is more middle of the road as opposed to bottom 10 as a ceiling with bottom of the league as a floor.

I think this position is largely overlooked and is a very important position on the line

@remydat since I know you are a PFF guy can you tell me where he ranks in the centers this year?

(I know PFF is far from perfect…. Just curious)
 

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2-3 asskickers along the OL in the top 40 in this draft + a top flight vet FA to help the group + a real head coach and this shit is good to go.

You don't have to imagine much to see it, just not sure this franchise can hire a strong HC if their life depended on it.
 

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We’re caught in a shitty cycle. If poles picks a new head coach this year and the team sucks next year, the new GM has to start with a HC he doesn’t know. If poles doesn’t pick a new head coach, best case scenario is we could be stuck with flus in the playoffs. If we pick a different head coach, I think it should buys Poles two more years.
 

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Who did you want?

Who I wanted or who was realistic to get?
Tippman was probably the highest but would've always taken trading up.
Schmitz was right there instead of Stevenson who many are wanting to cut now (to turn right around and claim we need to spend another high pick on defense, the BS self-destruction is never ending).

I was OK with 3 centers that year with a 2nd rounder and one of them was right there. We got another DB instead, because it all starts in the trenches.

I don't remember Stromberg being on that list but but at least we got sloppy seconds. Wypler sounds familiar for the 3rd one I wanted and he really fell far.
And note for those saying you can't have a rookie QB and a rookie center, they got Scruggs the same draft as Stroud.
 

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These guys also thought no other QB in the CW draft was gonna worth a damn in the NFL and look at them now.

You mean like Stroud is the GOAT based on his rookie year or Fields was great for throwing into double coverage in his first preseason game?

Hold off on the rookie calledits for a few years.

And for me it was all about who could survive this oline. I saw maybe two. After seeing the best one I could #calledit.
 

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As long as current ownership remains the same, never. Keep in mind that the North is brutal and Lions, Packers, and Vikings are in much better position than the Bears currently. It will take more than just the Bears getting a new coach if the division is so tough.
 

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For those pissed about the Center position, it was right there for the taking. I brought him up numerous times.
Cooper Beebe, drafted 73rd. If the Bears wanted him in the least, he was easily available.

I don't get that involved in draft threads. If I say to draft someone, they probably played for Kansas State, and need to be drafted.
 

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@remydat since I know you are a PFF guy can you tell me where he ranks in the centers this year?

(I know PFF is far from perfect…. Just curious)
Of guys that have played around 50% of snaps he is 10th in overall grade, 14th in run blocking and 4th in pass blocking.
 

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I have always said next year was when “the window” opens and they wouldn’t truly be competitive until then.

I still feel that way. Build the lines some more this offseason. Get a new HC. CW keeps improving.

It’s not a given. They still have to make the right moves. But nothing that I’ve seen so far has dissuaded me from thinking good times are a year away.

Am I wrong?
Short answer: You're not wrong at all. If the bears get even one above-average OL--and I'm not talking replacement level like what they have now, or another castaway for a late round draft pick or in the garbage bin section of the FA market--I'm talking good, then they're contenders if Braxton and Wright can do their jobs on critical passing situations like they showed they could against a heck of a pass rusher in Rashan Gary--who yes, got 1 sack on them. I was more irritated with 57 getting in unblocked too many times, but unrelated to the topic. Back on point--1 above average OL makes 'just guys' with a little health/luck start to look a lot better when they're picking on teams' depth/their "just guys." Ideally, you need an entirely revamped IOL, but an outstanding C would go a far ways. Is there one in the draft? Because that's probably the only way you'll get it.

They'll need 2 DT for depth (because Pickens isn't it, the dude can't shed a block, and he hasn't shown anything that he can even be a back up at this level) and a DE.

They ultimately need a coach who understands whats going on in front of him. Because even yesterday with the OL giving Caleb some time, the HC can **** things up in an instant.

(For the purpose of this discussion I will define competitive as a team that can make the playoffs and have a shot at winning a game)

If I am wrong how far away are the Bears? Total tear down stage? Two years?
See...I advocate for Poles to be fired because there is enormous potential for this to be closer to a total teardown than playoffs, but right now, I'll choose to be optimistic.

Besides all the moves people have complained about that he's made, let's talk about situations the GM is going to be in going forward. I've been highly critical of Poles, bemoaning that he builds the team 'trenches last,' well here is a coming predicament that is a result of his draft approach.

He's drafted 3 key secondary starters within 2 years, AND gave Jaylon his top 5 corner money. It's almost time to pay the piper with Gordon and Brisker, then Stevenson is up a year later--all mind you still on Caleb's rookie deal. Its irresponsible to pay them all well, as we know what happens when 75% of the payroll goes to the defense, and good secondary players don't come cheap these days. It's naive to think any of them would play well then stay here on a "sweetheart" or discounted deal. So now you're going to lose how many, 1 guy? 2? Those are also holes you have to plug when you have to lose a guy. And for those ready to give me 'but the Seattle legion of Boom last decade' I submit to you they were on Russ' rookie deal, and Seattle had a HOF LT and top 5 OL in football, the latter 2 the bears aren't even close to. Instead of 3 DBs, if Poles got a good OL or even DL, extending guys becomes an easy decision given money going to different areas of offense/defense. But by drafting 3 guys all in the secondary when he did, other positions were ignored and still need addressing.

How far away are the bears? Easy answer: One year. A few right decisions, like drafting a stud OG/OC, signing another decent OG, getting some more OT depth, and replacing Herbert and Homer in the backfield are the smarter offensive moves to make, along with finding a permanent playcaller.

For the defense? Decide really quick what you want. If you want to bend/not break, stick with the 4 man front. If you want to dial it up a notch and be better, I think you change to a 3-4. You first need the right playcaller--as we just saw what an aggressive 3-4 coach (Vic Fangio) vs a play-not-to-lose guy in Chuckles Pagano. You don't run a 3-4 to be unaggressive, you run it to bring pressure from anywhere/everywhere that's hard to scheme against when you only expect 4 DL in front of you.

You'd also need a beefy NT, and a few should be towards the top of this coming draft, whether its the 330 lb fatty from Michigan (Ken Grant), the 350 lb fatty from Kentucky (Deone Walker), or Tyliek Williams (OSU)/Demonte Capehart (Clemson)? All presently projected rounds 1-3. Grant definitely is a 1st rounder, unless he fucks something up or beats his GF. The other guys? One should be available next April.

You have interchangeable pieces for the 3/4. You can finally stop playing Dexter out of position. Yeah, he's made strides as a 3T but he's never been one and doesn't consistently dominate the B gap. He's had several great plays where he's done the read/react, just like Akiem Hicks would do and he'd blow up a play. Got a 5T there. Need another, you can get away with Billings as a platooned NT with the rookie, Sweat can play viper edge, you'd need an edge setting Joker. And your secondary is pretty interchangeable as Jaylon has great experience as a man coverage DB, Gordon and Stevenson playing 3-4s in college. Lastly, the ILBs are interchangeable, though Edmunds after his performance this past week doesn't instill confidence that the bears need to be giving him 20+ mil a year.

Longwinded way to say yes, they can turn this around in a year.
 

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I have always said next year was when “the window” opens and they wouldn’t truly be competitive until then.

I still feel that way. Build the lines some more this offseason. Get a new HC. CW keeps improving.

It’s not a given. They still have to make the right moves. But nothing that I’ve seen so far has dissuaded me from thinking good times are a year away.

Am I wrong?

(For the purpose of this discussion I will define competitive as a team that can make the playoffs and have a shot at winning a game)

If I am wrong how far away are the Bears? Total tear down stage? Two years?

I think the answer to the question depends a lot on which week you ask it.

If you ask it right after they almost beat Washington or Green Bay, you think "We're not that far away".

If you ask it right after they got manhandled by Arizona or only scored three points at home to the Patriots. you think "We're not even close".

There are things to be excited about: Rome Odunze, Jaylon Johnson, CW at times, etc.

Then there is Tyrick Stevenson, DJ Moore quitting on a play, and the Eberflus decision-making.

A mixed bag if ever there was one.
 

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I think the answer to the question depends a lot on which week you ask it.

If you ask it right after they almost beat Washington or Green Bay, you think "We're not that far away".

If you ask it right after they got manhandled by Arizona or only scored three points at home to the Patriots. you think "We're not even close".

There are things to be excited about: Rome Odunze, Jaylon Johnson, CW at times, etc.

Then there is Tyrick Stevenson, DJ Moore quitting on a play, and the Eberflus decision-making.

A mixed bag if ever there was one.

I absolutely agree with the bolded part
 

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How far away are the bears? Easy answer: One year. A few right decisions, like drafting a stud OG/OC, signing another decent OG, getting some more OT depth, and replacing Herbert and Homer in the backfield are the smarter offensive moves to make, along with finding a permanent playcaller.
I guess its amazing how many times the Bears have been "one year away" ever since losing the Super Bowl to the Colts. You can't answer the question with so much of the season remaining, but I think its crazy at this point to think the Bears are "one year away" when its a possibility that they go 0-6 in divisional play. Are you figuring on NFL conference realignment? The Bears will still have to deal with the Packers/Vikings/Lions next year.
 

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I have always said next year was when “the window” opens and they wouldn’t truly be competitive until then.

I still feel that way. Build the lines some more this offseason. Get a new HC. CW keeps improving.

It’s not a given. They still have to make the right moves. But nothing that I’ve seen so far has dissuaded me from thinking good times are a year away.

Am I wrong?

(For the purpose of this discussion I will define competitive as a team that can make the playoffs and have a shot at winning a game)

If I am wrong how far away are the Bears? Total tear down stage? Two years?
If you could guarantee non-busts in the draft for the trenches (early and often) and injury-free play from them plus a real NFL HC /OC, the window opens up in 2025.

If one or more of these go wrong, it might take 2 years.

Or so I hope.
 

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Once the Bears start beating bad teams on a consistent basis, and beating mediocre teams sporadically, ask this question again.
 

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