How close are the Bears to being competitive?

[SugarWalls]

That 2018 season bought him a ton of time unfortunately

In all fairness to pace he built a short lived but dominant defense that will probably go down as one of the best I’ll ever see, too bad they will be forgotten because of Nagy and the trubisky pick.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

In all fairness to pace he built a short lived but dominant defense that will probably go down as one of the best I’ll ever see, too bad they will be forgotten because of Nagy and the trubisky pick.

Biggest loss to defense was losing fangio.

 

[SugarWalls]

Biggest loss to defense was losing fangio.

I loved fangio, he was able to get the most out of a lot of guys, but that roster was fckn stacked.

Bears had a prime ball hawk Eddie Jackson paired up with Adrian Amos, fangio really played into Kyle fullers strengths and he got a lot of quality play from Bryce Callahan, bears got a solid 2 years or so out of a declining prince amukamara.

Eddie Goldman was the current day Billings with a little more pass rush, and akiem hicks was one of the best interior DL in the game but never got the love because the bears sucked.

Floyd was considered a ‘weak link’ or a miss, but he was a damn good player, and of course they had Mack in 2018 opposite him.

That d line had insane depth with guys like RRH, bilal nichols, John Bullard, and Aaron lynch was even a nice rotational piece.

Roquan smith with travathan before injuries piled up, kwitkoski as back up …. That defense was nice.

 

[Montucky]

That 2018 season bought him a ton of time unfortunately

I enjoyed the 2018 season quite a bit until the double doink. It’s the one season of post-Lovie Bears that I don’t view as unfortunate.

Ryan Pace was fatally undone by his trades. He was actually pretty OK at drafting with two fatal exceptions: 1) he couldn’t pick the right quarterback to save his life and 2) if he just HAD to move up and get a player he would always get totally fleeced and that player would generally be terrible.

You press the undo button on his trades, take the player he should have taken (and I’m not even saying Mahomes over Mitch) and he’s probably still here. He had other faults but that was the big one.

 

[jive]

Montgomery is running behind the best OL in football and doing good, not great. Many in that position would succeed.

Mooney is doing ok. You see highlights but is he really doing so great that you would want to have extended him?

Daniels? Isn’t he on the O line getting shit on for how bad it is?

You can make up whatever excuses, but they are all outperforming who we tried to replace them with.

 

[jive]

Mooney already has 700 yards and 5tds, he’s leading the team in receiving yards (only above London by 1), and he’s 1 TD behind London for the lead on the team.

He’s having a really good year, you’d have to be a complete homer idiot to ignore it.

It's like the player isn't that bad, but the system is. Who would have thunk it?

 

[TL1961]

Mooney already has 700 yards and 5tds, he’s leading the team in receiving yards (only above London by 1), and he’s 1 TD behind London for the lead on the team.

He’s having a really good year, you’d have to be a complete homer idiot to ignore it.

No, but you’d have to be a damn fool to think that it hasn’t got a lot to do with the offensive line. The implication in the comment about Montgomery was at the Bears made a mistake to let him go. He would not be running with the same success behind the Bears offensive line as he is in Detroit.

It is true he is having a good year, and I’m not ignoring it. I’m simply stating that his success is due to his circumstances, and it wasn’t like the Bears let go of the second coming of Walter Payton.

 

[jive]

Poles has drafted or signed 13 different O-linemen over his 3 seasons here. He has found exactly 0 studs and 2 guys that are average at best. I'm not sure that I trust Poles with the O-line as a priority. Wright was supposed to be a low risk pick, and the jury is still out on him whether he'll be a successful pro.

 

[TL1961]

You can make up whatever excuses, but they are all outperforming who we tried to replace them with.

Put Montgomery on the Bears and swift back on the Lions and tell me what their yardage totals would be. You’re getting it completely mixed up. And there’s no fucking way that Darnell Mooney is better than what the Bears have right now. And it wasn’t like they let Mooney go in the middle of a contract. They would have had to extend him, and that would have been a mistake.

And I will have to defer to you on Daniel’s as, unlike you, I am not watching every other teams, interior lineman, and ranking them.

 

[jive]

Put Montgomery on the Bears and swift back on the Lions and tell me what their yardage totals would be. You’re getting it completely mixed up. And there’s no fucking way that Darnell Mooney is better than what the Bears have right now. And it wasn’t like they let Mooney go in the middle of a contract. They would have had to extend him, and that would have been a mistake.

And I will have to defer to you on Daniel’s as, unlike you, I am not watching every other teams, interior lineman, and ranking them.

In the end, Poles and Flus did not create a system that would let those players or their replacements thrive.
That's why probably why Mooney with his limited skills still has more yards than Keenan Allen, and slow ass Monty has double the TDs of Swift. What's more important than stats is that those guys are contributing to their teams winning.

Excuses are never an adequate replacement for wins.

 

[SugarWalls]

Put Montgomery on the Bears and swift back on the Lions and tell me what their yardage totals would be. You’re getting it completely mixed up. And there’s no fucking way that Darnell Mooney is better than what the Bears have right now. And it wasn’t like they let Mooney go in the middle of a contract. They would have had to extend him, and that would have been a mistake.

And I will have to defer to you on Daniel’s as, unlike you, I am not watching every other teams, interior lineman, and ranking them.

Darnell Mooney would undeniably be better for the Chicago bears than what Keenan Allen is right now.

Scott has been unplayable or is at least not being used, the bears have no one to threaten teams deep. Mooney would immediately fill that role as Keenan Allen is too fckn slow to do it. Mooney and Rome could share that role and rome could be moved to slot WR as needed. It would be a better match for what the team needs, unless they find a way to get Scott out there.

As for Montgomery - he is hard to bring down, and he is known for breaking tackles. Just look at his stats with Chicago, he was productive. When you have a bad o line, wouldn’t you rather have a guy that can break tackles and consistently get yards as opposed to a guy like swift who is more reliant on a good o line? I’d rather have swift if the o line is good because he has more break away speed. I’d rather have Montgomery behind the current OL.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Darnell Mooney would undeniably be better for the Chicago bears than what Keenan Allen is right now.

Scott has been unplayable or is at least not being used, the bears have no one to threaten teams deep. Mooney would immediately fill that role as Keenan Allen is too fckn slow to do it. Mooney and Rome could share that role and rome could be moved to slot WR as needed. It would be a better match for what the team needs, unless they find a way to get Scott out there.

As for Montgomery - he is hard to bring down, and he is known for breaking tackles. Just look at his stats with Chicago, he was productive. When you have a bad o line, wouldn’t you rather have a guy that can break tackles and consistently get yards as opposed to a guy like swift who is more reliant on a good o line? I’d rather have swift if the o line is good because he has more break away speed. I’d rather have Montgomery behind the current OL.

Mooney was done here. Classic change of scenery player.

Allen has been a huge disappointment.

 

[jive]

If Poles effectively revamped the O-line would we probably wouldn't have had to spend a 2nd and a 4th rounder on WRs, a big contract for a RB, and a #1 pick for a QB.

 

[jive]

Allen has been a huge disappointment.

Especially since we had to spend a 4th rounder on a 1 year rental.

I wouldn't be surprised if Keenan is back with the Chargers next year.

 

[Nelly]

To answer the question, on paper, you'd have to say they're very close considering the assets they have. Spend the top 3 picks on the trenches and fill out the roster with decent free agents where needed, then just grab a quality head coach that can get the most out of Caleb.

The problem still remains though that we're talking about the Bears, so all the aforementioned moves will inevitably go wrong.

 

[remydat]

I got nothing against Braxton Jones, by any metric he’s been a fine use of a fifth round pick. But his status as a capable starting caliber NFL left tackle has been erratic throughout his career. He’s very week-to-week, and frankly I’m just sort of sick of it. Maybe if the Bears had two roadgrader guards and a good center it’d be better.

You certainly can’t just have Braxton Jones filling such an important position and think “OK that ones solved time to start spending all my draft picks and money on wide receivers”.

The issue is no one he could have taken high in the draft has actually been significantly better.

Just like no one at C Bears fans wanted has been significantly better than Shelton as of late.

 

[SugarWalls]

Mooney was done here. Classic change of scenery player.

Allen has been a huge disappointment.

The new qb and oc would have been the change in scenery…

 

[SugarWalls]

The issue is no one he could have taken high in the draft has actually been significantly better.

Just like no one at C Bears fans wanted has been significantly better than Shelton as of late.

I think plenty of people wanted tippman but he was long gone before the bears drafted. He went before his ADP iirc as well

 

[remydat]

It does not in anyway matter if he signed one from the org or not, that money is an investment that could be used otherwise in FA.

He could’ve let JJ walk and put that money to OL. I think that would’ve been a mistake, but it is an available option. He chose to prioritize the secondary. He also showed priority to secondary with his 3 2nd round picks spent on secondary. This is one of the moves he’s made that actually seems to be paying off despite stevenson’s blunders.

Teven has been perpetually injured and bears had no intention to re sign him. They even ‘replaced’ him with the lone stand out FA signing. Teven has never been in Poles plans.Center position has been a revolving door as well. I’m not trying to argue hits or misses but it’s clear that Poles has not prioritized the OL as a group.

And he could have used a first on a CB but he didnt. He used it on OL.

Only in Bears fans world is a 2nd higher priority than a first.

 

[remydat]

I think plenty of people wanted tippman but he was long gone before the bears drafted. He went before his ADP iirc as well

Yes I said who he could have taken.