How close are the Bears to being competitive?

[bamainatlanta]

If a GM & coach haven’t turned it around after three full years at the helm its probably not happening.

Les Snead says hi

 

[TL1961]

Poles had alot to rebuild, but he also created holes he had to fill.

We had a good edge rusher in Khalil Mack, only to replace him with Sweat for another huge contract.
We had a good linebacker in Roquan, and he was replaced with ho-hum Edmunds on an expensive contract.
Daniels, Mooney and Montgomery seem to be doing well with their new teams


In terms of net improvement over 3 years, Poles improved at WR1, CB2, NB. If Brisker can stay healthy, you can add SS as well. That's 4 positions in 3 years. Jury is still out on whether we improved at DT, QB, and RT.

Montgomery is running behind the best OL in football and doing good, not great. Many in that position would succeed.

Mooney is doing ok. You see highlights but is he really doing so great that you would want to have extended him?

Daniels? Isn’t he on the O line getting shit on for how bad it is?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Les Snead says hi

5 years of 7 or less wins. We would lose half the fans base.

 

[bamainatlanta]

5 years of 7 or less wins. We would lose half the fans base.

Yes and then he won the SB. Went to 2 SB’s with 2 different QB’s. Drafted Donald & Kupp. Would love to have Snead here even after the Jeff Fisher debacle(he was saddled with him). I believe Fisher was hired prior to him signing with the Rams.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Montgomery is running behind the best OL in football and doing good, not great. Many in that position would succeed.

Mooney is doing ok. You see highlights but is he really doing so great that you would want to have extended him?

Daniels? Isn’t he on the O line getting shit on for how bad it is?

Mooney is meh, just like he was here. His hands have somehow got worse in Atlanta.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yes and then he won the SB. Went to 2 SB’s with 2 different QB’s. Drafted Donald & Kupp. Would love to have Snead here even after the Jeff Fisher debacle(he was saddled with him). I believe Fisher was hired prior to him signing with the Rams.

I’m laughing at Bears fans trying to be patient through those 5 years. Well aware of his success

 

[TezMaKai]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858258727180058740

Is this what happened to you in prison?

 

[SugarWalls]

Sure or you can make the argument he drafted Jones and Wright and signed Dacis, Bates and Shelton and filled other needs and now he only has OL and pass rusher left. Guess we will see this offseason. Dont see the point of premptively complaining that he may not do something when we can just see what he actually does.

Poles issue is not that he didnt address OL. It is that the guys he tried to addrsss it with have underwhlemed.

So you address a comment about poles lack of adequately addressing the OL and you assert we shouldn’t complain because we don’t know what he will do, and then you go back to admit he’s largely failed at addressing the OL. Lmao

 

[SugarWalls]

I’m laughing at Bears fans trying to be patient through those 5 years. Well aware of his success

Bears fans excused an eternity of Ryan pace and you have dolts on here still caping for poles

 

[remydat]

So you address a comment about poles lack of adequately addressing the OL and you assert we shouldn’t complain because we don’t know what he will do, and then you go back to admit he’s largely failed at addressing the OL. Lmao

No you are changing the argument.

Because he's shown to not prioritize OL. You could make the argument that he doesn't think OL is all that important given how he's drafted so far. But CBs, oh he loves CBs.

The claim was he didnt prioritize or think OL is important. That just makes no sense. He drafted 2 starters on the OL one of which was a top 10 pick. He has signed several FAs one of which he gave 10 million a year which is a lot for a G at the time.

So again the issue is not that he did not prioritize or think it is important. The issue is his big FA signing sucked and his top 10 draft pick has stagnated a bit. If Wright turned into a Pro Bowler and Davis lived up to his salary the OL would have been fine especially since Jones and Jenkins are solid and Shelton is now playing well.

And again he was doing this while also trying to address a bunch of other needs. This offseason there arent as many needs to address so it is likely OL will get more attention particularly given the Davis failure.

 

[SugarWalls]

Montgomery is running behind the best OL in football and doing good, not great. Many in that position would succeed.

Mooney is doing ok. You see highlights but is he really doing so great that you would want to have extended him?

Daniels? Isn’t he on the O line getting shit on for how bad it is?

Mooney already has 700 yards and 5tds, he’s leading the team in receiving yards (only above London by 1), and he’s 1 TD behind London for the lead on the team.

He’s having a really good year, you’d have to be a complete homer idiot to ignore it.

 

[remydat]

Poles main problem is he hasnt really hit on any super stars. You need like 5 or 6 of them to really anchor a team and he has none right now. Moore and Sweat are the closest but both have cooled off a bit from last year. Wright has been a huge disappointment and has not taken off like you would have hoped. JJ is the only one but was drafted by Pace.

If this team is to get to the next level then Moore and Sweat need to play more like 2023 next year, JJ needs to stay on his top 10 CB level, Wright needs to elevate to Pro Bowl status and Caleb and Rome need to start knocking on stardom's door. Poles then needs to find at least one true stud with one of the top 3 picks and sign a stud OL like Smith.

 

[SugarWalls]

No you are changing the argument.



The claim was he didnt prioritize or think OL is important. That just makes no sense. He drafted 2 starters on the OL one of which was a top 10 pick. He has signed several FAs one of which he gave 10 million a year which is a lot for a G at the time.

So again the issue is not that he did not prioritize or think it is important. The issue is his big FA signing sucked and his top 10 draft pick has stagnated a bit. If Wright turned into a Pro Bowler and Davis lived up to his salary the OL would have been fine especially since Jones and Jenkins are solid and Shelton is now playing well.

And again he was doing this while also trying to address a bunch of other needs. This offseason there arent as many needs to address so it is likely OL will get more attention particularly given the Davis failure.

The argument is priority. Priority being more important, which implies an argument of quality investment. He has brought in mostly cast offs and has 2 quality investments at OL including wright and Nate Davis.

He hit it big with Braxton jones, but that was not a priority move. I’m not going to claim he showed priority to OL by replacing borom with a 5th round pick.

In the same time he got DJ Moore which took the place of an additional first from Carolina, he drafted odunze 9 overall, he brought in Keenan Allen, he traded a 2nd round pick for claypool, he took a shot at velus. To me he had actually shown priority to this position with some hits and some misses, it’s not an argument of hit or miss though, it’s an argument of priority.

Looking at the draft in general - he has spent 3 second round picks on the secondary. To me this also shows priority (with some hits of course).

Bringing in a slew of back up quality players and moneyballing the OL is not showing priority.

 

[Montucky]

Les Snead says hi

Valid, but keep in mind his first coaching hire was McVay and he drafted a true GOAT.

Poles running the Cult of Trace Armstrong doesn’t feel like the same thing.

 

[remydat]

The argument is priority. Priority being more important, which implies an argument of quality investment. He has brought in mostly cast offs and has 2 quality investments at OL including wright and Nate Davis.

He hit it big with Braxton jones, but that was not a priority move. I’m not going to claim he showed priority to OL by replacing borom with a 5th round pick.

In the same time he got DJ Moore which took the place of an additional first from Carolina, he drafted odunze 9 overall, he brought in Keenan Allen, he traded a 2nd round pick for claypool, he took a shot at velus. To me he had actually shown priority to this position with some hits and some misses, it’s not an argument of hit or miss though, it’s an argument of priority.

Looking at the draft in general - he has spent 3 second round picks on the secondary. To me this also shows priority (with some hits of course).

Bringing in a slew of back up quality players and moneyballing the OL is not showing priority.

The reason he hasnt spent more 2nd round picks on the OL is precisely because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a 1st on RT, spent 10m on RG and had Jenkins already in the fold. So he only really had C to fill if those moves had panned out like he had hoped.

If for example he had spent the 1st rounder on a DB and signed another DB for 10+ million to be the 2nd CB then guess what he likely then spends those 2nds on OL.

So this goes back to the point he was trying to fill multiple needs and because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a top 10 pick and FA money on OL, he used lower picks on the secondary.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Valid, but keep in mind his first coaching hire was McVay and he drafted a true GOAT.

Poles running the Cult of Trace Armstrong doesn’t feel like the same thing.

Correct

 

[Montucky]

The reason he hasnt spent more 2nd round picks on the OL is precisely because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a 1st on RT, spent 10m on RG and had Jenkins already in the fold. So he only really had C to fill if those moves had panned out like he had hoped.

If for example he had spent the 1st rounder on a DB and signed another DB for 10+ million to be the 2nd CB then guess what he likely then spends those 2nds on OL.

So this goes back to the point he was trying to fill multiple needs and because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a top 10 pick and FA money on OL, he used lower picks on the secondary.

I got nothing against Braxton Jones, by any metric he’s been a fine use of a fifth round pick. But his status as a capable starting caliber NFL left tackle has been erratic throughout his career. He’s very week-to-week, and frankly I’m just sort of sick of it. Maybe if the Bears had two roadgrader guards and a good center it’d be better.

You certainly can’t just have Braxton Jones filling such an important position and think “OK that ones solved time to start spending all my draft picks and money on wide receivers”.

 

[SugarWalls]

The reason he has spent more 2nd round picks on the OL is precisely because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a 1st on RT, spent 10m on RG and had Jenkins already in the fold. So realistically he only really had C to fill.

He hasnt spent a 1st on CB or signed one outside the org for more than 10m so one could argue DB has not been a priority. If for example he had spent the 1st rounder on a DB and signed another DB for 10+ million to be the 2nd CB then guess what he likely then spends those 2nds on OL.

So this goes back go the point he was trying to fill multiple needs and because he found a starting LT in the 5th, spent a top 10 pick and FA money on OL, he used lower picks on the secondary.

It does not in anyway matter if he signed one from the org or not, that money is an investment that could be used otherwise in FA.

He could’ve let JJ walk and put that money to OL. I think that would’ve been a mistake, but it is an available option. He chose to prioritize the secondary. He also showed priority to secondary with his 3 2nd round picks spent on secondary. This is one of the moves he’s made that actually seems to be paying off despite stevenson’s blunders.

Teven has been perpetually injured and bears had no intention to re sign him. They even ‘replaced’ him with the lone stand out FA signing. Teven has never been in Poles plans.Center position has been a revolving door as well. I’m not trying to argue hits or misses but it’s clear that Poles has not prioritized the OL as a group.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Bears fans excused an eternity of Ryan pace and you have dolts on here still caping for poles

That 2018 season bought him a ton of time unfortunately

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Bears fans excused an eternity of Ryan pace and you have dolts on here still caping for poles

Allot of these morons think 7 year rebuilds are normal