How many Bulls make the all-star team?

[Crystallas]

He doesn't have a chance. Even if he is vastly improved over last year the politics of the all-star selection will prevent him from making the squad.

Why didn't the NBA pick up on this genius of yours and just name the All-Star team now? I mean, since it's all so inevitable due to the politics and all.

The accusation wasn't that you think Noah will make the team, but that you think he's an all star caliber player, which he isn't. Noah is a very good player but you overrate him because he's a Bull.

Yes. I think he's an all-star caliber player, and he is. You don't. Fair enough.

 

[WearShades]

Why didn't the NBA pick up on this genius of yours and just name the All-Star team now? I mean, since it's all so inevitable due to the politics and all.

You're not seriously debating this are you? Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson were voted in last year. It's a game of politics not merit.

Yes. I think he's an all-star caliber player, and he is. You don't. Fair enough.

The numbers don't support that, though I doubt you've really looked at them. And before you give the tired old "it's not just about the numbers" argument keep in mind the players that he's competing with have played better and are as integral to their team's success as Noah.

Again, I'd love to see Noah in the game, but fan-passion doesn't change the fact it's not going to happen and it's probably fair as there are better players than him who also aren't making it.

 

[Crystallas]

And before you give the tired old "it's not just about the numbers" argument

It's not, and you said so yourself. In the same post, at that.

It's a game of politics not merit.

I know the numbers, I know the politics. You don't think Noah can possibly make it, I think there is an argument for him to get in. Done, settled. You're free to believe whatever you want, but repeating yourself isn't going to change my mind, especially before the season has even started.

 

[WearShades]

It's not, and you said so yourself. In the same post, at that.


I know the numbers, I know the politics. You don't think Noah can possibly make it, I think there is an argument for him to get in. Done, settled. You're free to believe whatever you want, but repeating yourself isn't going to change my mind, especially before the season has even started.

Alright then. Keep sending post cards from fantasy land.

 

[TheStig]

You're not seriously debating this are you? Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson were voted in last year. It's a game of politics not merit.



The numbers don't support that, though I doubt you've really looked at them. And before you give the tired old "it's not just about the numbers" argument keep in mind the players that he's competing with have played better and are as integral to their team's success as Noah.

Again, I'd love to see Noah in the game, but fan-passion doesn't change the fact it's not going to happen and it's probably fair as there are better players than him who also aren't making it.

Starters are voted in but reserves are named by coaches. Noah has no chance of being voted in and more than likely would be an alternate if called.

And your example doesn't really work since neither played and actually took up a roster spot. So while they made the team, they didn't actually hold anyone off.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

What priorities?

Well to me, this is kind of important. I am a Bulls fan, and not a bandwagoner that only likes the good players and the team when they are winning(I'm not pointing fingers either).

I come to CCS, and I'm active in this forum, because I thought there would be more homers to cheer the team with. Instead of guys cheering on their team, they rip on their team... at a point, where we will likely have the best non-Jordan Bulls team ever. To me, that's one GINORMOUS WTF. And I have been watching the Bulls, since before Jordan, so to me, all of this non-support is just a low-blow.

Who cares?

If (and I realize this doesn't mean much in the end) it meant the Bulls were assured the ECF - I don't give a shit if any of them make the AST. I won't be watching anyways, so what the **** do I care?

I remember the Floyd years, I remember the Cartwright era, the Skiles era, the Boylan era, and of course, the Vinny the Black era. All throughout I would attend games and watch. You'll have to forgive as I was born in 82, and was much more concerned that shit was being wiped out of my ass than basketball in the pre-Jordan years.

My point, the ASG is a minor deal. In the grand scheme of things if this is so important to you in terms of the Bulls season - your priorities are fucked.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

They do to me. Not all of them, and I don't want to roll up everyone into a label, but it would be nice to see more people around here happy that basketball is back in Chicago, yet.... at this point and time I would take a homer versus a nobody critic.

Basketball wasn't around in Chicago since 1998?

 

[houheffna]

They do to me. Not all of them, and I don't want to roll up everyone into a label, but it would be nice to see more people around here happy that basketball is back in Chicago, yet.... at this point and time I would take a homer versus a nobody critic.

In this day and age, homerism is frowned upon because everyone is exposed to everything. People see how good other players are relative to their own. Being a homer is not good when you are no longer being a realist. I love the Bulls enough to hope that I am wrong about some of my assessments about them. But at the end of the day, I have to be true to what is real, and not what I want necessarily.

Basketball is back, so you say, that doesn't mean people should lose their minds...

 

[Crystallas]

LMAO at how worked up everyone is getting over the possibility of Noah making the ASG.

I swear, I am speaking in the calmest state of mind possible, and to see this overwhelming reaction is hysterical. Let's keep going with it.

My priorities have nothing to do with the ECF. If your a Bulls fan, then be one dammit. Don't sit on the fence waiting for them to bring in Melo until you give them your support.

I know sports fans in general have a hard time with criticism, where everything becomes a hypercriticism as a default method of retaliation, but some people here need to respect opposing views. It's so over exaggerated, that we see the use of breaking up quotes, and taken to extremes. Over what subject? The thought that someone believes Joakim Noah has a chance to make the ASG. It's amazing, at that level of seriousness, the rebuttal becomes "Well, the ASG doesn't matter anyways", and yet, give the subject this much attention. I'll steal Uncle Meatballs favorite phrase here, don't drink the kool-aid.

To answer Prope's question of: Basketball wasn't around in Chicago since 1998?
What? 1998? Where have you been? The post-season has only been over for a few months. However, interpret my statement of basketball being back in Chicago however you want. I meant that the new season is about to start. On the other hand, if you want to interpret it in other means, go ahead. Apparently there are a lot of analysts who are questioning whether the Bulls are back in the mix right now. Cover Article from today's ESPN NBA section. Or if you missed it,

It's a catch line for the central, yes. But you would be a fool to admit that it wasn't the same question going through your mind headed into this season. Weird, why the hell did they put Noah on there with Granger and Jennings? Didn't ESPN get the memo about Noah not being of all-star caliber due to the politics and stats. Shoulda just went with Rose. I mean, really? How dare they put Noah next to Granger. BTW, that's sarcasm and hypercritisism for those who have a hard time understanding.

And for the record, I'm not a homer. I did confuse some of you rather easily when I said I would rather find homers in a Chicago forum, of all places(who woulda thunk it) than this riff-raff of Noah hate.

Seriously, this Noah hate has got to go, and it all started when the Bulls were mearly TALKING with Denver. There was never a guarantee that they would get Melo, if Noah was included. Never a guarantee.

 

[WearShades]

Seriously, this Noah hate has got to go, and it all started when the Bulls were mearly TALKING with Denver. There was never a guarantee that they would get Melo, if Noah was included. Never a guarantee.

Where is this Noah hate? I don't recall anyone writing they don't like him. You speak of not going into hyper-criticism and then you refer to those who don't think Noah is ASG worthy as having hate for him?

Be consistent please.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Sorry, I don't read espn.com

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

a) Stoudemire does play plenty of C, even though he's a natural 4. There's a good chance he will be listed as a C on the All-star ballot. But even if he doesn't,

b) Noah is not better than Howard, Horford, Bogut, and I don't even know about Brook Lopez. Some crazy stuff would need to go down in order for Noah to make the Eastern All-star team. Joakim is closer to a player the caliber of Tyson Chandler or Brendan Haywood than to a player like Dwight Howard.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Bulls are no more "back" than they were last season and the year before, in terms of being championship contenders. ESPN rarely speaks out of an orafice that isn't their ass. All they want is to find stuff to talk about that will grab people's attention- whether it will get a positive or negative reaction.

 

[Crystallas]

The Bulls are no more "back" than they were last season and the year before, in terms of being championship contenders. ESPN rarely speaks out of an orafice that isn't their ass. All they want is to find stuff to talk about that will grab people's attention- whether it will get a positive or negative reaction.

I can give a rats ass about ESPN too, but can you honestly say this team is no better than last years? It's not just ESPN that is pumping out editorials on the Bulls being back. They're stupid for calling it before we have even gotten enough games under the team's belt to project whether or not they are back, which is basically my whole point.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I can give a rats ass about ESPN too, but can you honestly say this team is no better than last years? It's not just ESPN that is pumping out editorials on the Bulls being back. They're stupid for calling it before we have even gotten enough games under the team's belt to project whether or not they are back, which is basically my whole point.

The thing is that the odds that the Bulls will make a run at a title next year are about the same as they were the last two years: slim-to-none. Sure, let's say a 0.9% chance is many times higher than a 0.1% chance. But both are still pretty tiny.

 

[TheStig]

The thing is that the odds that the Bulls will make a run at a title next year are about the same as they were the last two years: slim-to-none. Sure, let's say a 0.9% chance is many times higher than a 0.1% chance. But both are still pretty tiny.

The chances are much higher this year then the last two. I'd say they are about the same as 06-07. More likely than not, we will win our division. Something we haven't done for 10+ years.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The chances are much higher this year then the last two. I'd say they are about the same as 06-07. More likely than not, we will win our division. Something we haven't done for 10+ years.

Yep, agreed. Said pretty much the same thing.