Hunt for the #1 pick - Bear 12th

[Bearly]

I thought that was Jay.

I suspect we draft around the position this has us in now and I haven't a fucking clue who will be available or what we'll do yet.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

They're going 9-7, get over it.


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LMAO, no.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

We'll pick in the #8 to #12 range.

Sucks for us. We need a top 5 pick, badly.

 

[mecha]

if you're seeing a QB hit free agency, chances are they're not going to be an upgrade over Jay Cutler. that goes for a lot of players that are free agents really, they're just not good enough to be starter material. some of the time they're just cap casualties though. the Denver Broncos got lucky when they signed Peyton Manning, as did the Minnesota Vikings when they got Brett Favre. those are probably the only instances where it actually worked, and I use worked loosely considering there was only 1 great year of Brett and probably 2 for Manning before his physical limitations got greater exposure.

that being said, you're not going to find many NFL-capable QBs out of the box coming from college anymore I don't think. the college game is predicated on very minimalistic offense, the only way you'll draft a quarterback and gain success from them is probably by sitting them. guys like Luck and I think Dalton that got thrown into the fire are notable exceptions. you won't see Johnny Manziel perform on their level, I don't give a shit how you look at it. he's a gimmick dork just like Tim Tebow was; those guys aren't going to be longterm solutions, as is evident by Tebow not even being able to land a backup spot despite "omg he just wins!" for like 7 games.

I'm fairly certain the offense-centric current Bears regime recognizes the sit strategy; I don't think they're gonna reach in round 1, but I don't think they're gonna get a Dan LeFevour or Nathan Enderle at the tail end of the draft (see: total scrubs and worthless picks).

best case scenario is Cutler continues to play efficient and they get a new guy to sit. I don't know if that plan will go into effect in the next draft or the one after, but I'm sure they recognize this. it's better than dumping a bunch of money in some FA castoffs like Todd Collins or Jason Campbell that can't play anymore; that's one area where Jimmy Clausen might actually be ok!

 

[Larsonite]

if you're seeing a QB hit free agency, chances are they're not going to be an upgrade over Jay Cutler. that goes for a lot of players that are free agents really, they're just not good enough to be starter material. some of the time they're just cap casualties though. the Denver Broncos got lucky when they signed Peyton Manning, as did the Minnesota Vikings when they got Brett Favre. those are probably the only instances where it actually worked, and I use worked loosely considering there was only 1 great year of Brett and probably 2 for Manning before his physical limitations got greater exposure.

that being said, you're not going to find many NFL-capable QBs out of the box coming from college anymore I don't think. the college game is predicated on very minimalistic offense, the only way you'll draft a quarterback and gain success from them is probably by sitting them. guys like Luck and I think Dalton that got thrown into the fire are notable exceptions. you won't see Johnny Manziel perform on their level, I don't give a shit how you look at it. he's a gimmick dork just like Tim Tebow was; those guys aren't going to be longterm solutions, as is evident by Tebow not even being able to land a backup spot despite "omg he just wins!" for like 7 games.

I'm fairly certain the offense-centric current Bears regime recognizes the sit strategy; I don't think they're gonna reach in round 1, but I don't think they're gonna get a Dan LeFevour or Nathan Enderle at the tail end of the draft (see: total scrubs and worthless picks).

best case scenario is Cutler continues to play efficient and they get a new guy to sit. I don't know if that plan will go into effect in the next draft or the one after, but I'm sure they recognize this. it's better than dumping a bunch of money in some FA castoffs like Todd Collins or Jason Campbell that can't play anymore; that's one area where Jimmy Clausen might actually be ok!

Drew Brees is another fa qb but no one knew his arm would heal let alone heal stronger.

Cutler's play of late and his contract suggests he'll be our qb for another 3 years and possibly longer if he restructures in 2019. Only way he gets cut is if he and Gase have a falling out or just starts playing terrible. Both are very possible given history but the better he plays this season and next, the more likely Cutler will retire a Bear.

We may still look for Cutler's backup but i highly doubt Pace looks for his replacement early in the draft. And, re-signing Clausen or another FA qb might be more appealing than using a draft pick.

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[Monsieur Tirets]

Drew Brees is another fa qb but no one knew his arm would heal let alone heal stronger.

Cutler's play of late and his contract suggests he'll be our qb for another 3 years and possibly longer if he restructures in 2019. Only way he gets cut is if he and Gase have a falling out or just starts playing terrible. Both are very possible given history but the better he plays this season and next, the more likely Cutler will retire a Bear.

We may still look for Cutler's backup but i highly doubt Pace looks for his replacement early in the draft. And, re-signing Clausen or another FA qb might be more appealing than using a draft pick.

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if that plays out... **** this team

 

[Larsonite]

if that plays out... **** this team

I know it will piss off a lot of people but if you look at everything, it is a very likely scenario. If cutler continues to play well i doubt Pace uses any resources to replace him.

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[Monsieur Tirets]

what you are failing to realize, and what hopefully pace doesn't, is that this idea that he is "playing well" is BS. jay has been jay, hes not playing any better than he ever has, hes simply not Turing the bail over at a league leading pace, which would be hard to do two years running, especially when hes running an O designed around the fact that hes a limited QB.

again, hopefully paces goal is something bigger than continuing to spin the fucking wheels, because you are not winning a damn thing running this O for the long haul.

though, i admittedly fear the org as a whole will be content with placating the fans giving them just enough so they continue to fill the seats and well get mediocrity for another 10 years.

 

[da_bears6]

what you are failing to realize, and what hopefully pace doesn't, is that this idea that he is "playing well" is BS. jay has been jay, hes not playing any better than he ever has, hes simply not Turing the bail over at a league leading pace, which would be hard to do two years running, especially when hes running an O designed around the fact that hes a limited QB.

again, hopefully paces goal is something bigger than continuing to spin the fucking wheels, because you are not winning a damn thing running this O for the long haul.

80% of the league does this with their QBs.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

80% of the league does this with their QBs.

umm...no. lol

there are more than 7 competent QBs in the league.

sure the majority of teams dont have an elite QB, but a good number have competent QBs, and the ones that dont know they need to improve and attempt to. how do people still not comprehend that jay struggles when it comes to fucknig basics of the position? struggles in areas which are inexcusable for a starter to struggle with.

This O is well designed because gase is a talented OC, but in terms of the QBs responsibilities its often at a college level with one read or shrinking the field so jay is rarely asked to go through more than two progressions. you are not beating legit NFL contenders with that BS. its barely enough to squeak past the raiders and chiefs of the league.

we saw what happened when jay was asked to execute a legit offense... he led the league in turnovers. and even when he was playing ok in martzs system it was simply the result of stripping all freedom away from the QB. again you cannot sustain an O like that. i remember when everyone bitched and moaned about how cutler wasnt given any freedom with martz and you couldnt expect him to thrive under those conditions, but now its the reverse and the answer is doing what everyone originally bitched about.

 

[da_bears6]

umm...no. lol

there are more than 7 competent QBs in the league.

sure the majority of teams dont have an elite QB, but a good number have competent QBs, and the ones that dont know they need to improve and attempt to.

I just disagree.

Coaching staffs know what their guys do well and will put them in position to succeed which is what Gase is doing. Call it limited but whatever this team has already won as many games through just over a 1/3 of the season that many thought they'd win all year.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

I just disagree.

Coaching staffs know what their guys do well and will put them in position to succeed which is what Gase is doing. Call it limited but whatever this team has already won as many games through just over a 1/3 of the season that many thought they'd win all year.

really, thats you fucking measuring stick? a 2-4 team barely besting the raiders and chiefs?

theres nothing to disagree on, its fact. the guy cant read a d to save his life and misses simple reads regularly... well, when he was actually asked to run a nfl offense. but now hes not, because he cant. though that doesnt help when it comes to his shit accuracy, even when it comes to high percentage throws.

he struggles with things better teams wouldnt even tolerate in a back-up, let alone a starter. he is quite simply the worst long time starter at the position the league as ever seen. and its all thanks to the bears.

 

[da_bears6]

really, thats you fucking measuring stick? a 2-4 team barely besting the raiders and chiefs?

theres nothing to disagree on, its fact. the guy cant read a d to save his life and misses simple reads regularly... well, when he was actually asked to run a nfl offense. but now hes not, because he cant. though that doesnt help when it comes to his shit accuracy, even when it comes to high percentage throws.

he struggles with things better teams wouldnt even tolerate in a back-up, let alone a starter. he is quite simply the worst long time start at the position the league as ever seen. and its all thanks to the bears.

Your Cutler hate is blinding and makes you say outlandish things. He's not good enough, we all know that.

But he's playing well enough for this team to compete each week and gives the Bears time to draft and develop a replacement.

 

[Desperado34]

what you are failing to realize, and what hopefully pace doesn't, is that this idea that he is "playing well" is BS. jay has been jay, hes not playing any better than he ever has, hes simply not Turing the bail over at a league leading pace, which would be hard to do two years running, especially when hes running an O designed around the fact that hes a limited QB.

again, hopefully paces goal is something bigger than continuing to spin the fucking wheels, because you are not winning a damn thing running this O for the long haul.

though, i admittedly fear the org as a whole will be content with placating the fans giving them just enough so they continue to fill the seats and well get mediocrity for another 10 years.

Lol wow.

Do you ever give credit to the guy? That's why some of us are adamant with supporting him, because posts like this. It's like you forget or don't want to acknowledge game winning drives he did back to back, or that he got the Bears to tie against Detroit with what? 20 seconds?


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[Desperado34]

really, thats you fucking measuring stick? a 2-4 team barely besting the raiders and chiefs?

theres nothing to disagree on, its fact. the guy cant read a d to save his life and misses simple reads regularly... well, when he was actually asked to run a nfl offense. but now hes not, because he cant. though that doesnt help when it comes to his shit accuracy, even when it comes to high percentage throws.

he struggles with things better teams wouldnt even tolerate in a back-up, let alone a starter. he is quite simply the worst long time starter at the position the league as ever seen. and its all thanks to the bears.

Lmao you're implying gases offense isn't a NFL offense?

Quick, everyone! Call Trestman, Ron Turner, Mike tice back!! We need them, that's a real NFL offense.


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[Desperado34]

Vikings games are winnable
Lions game
Rams
Chargers
Broncos game is winnable
Bucs game
Redskins
49ers

That's 9 very winnable games. Especially if the offense and defense gets a little healthier.

100% agree. But ya know, CUTLA sucks and we need draft pick because.. Well, highlight tape.

Getting Rolle back and shit, even Shea.. I can say this team making a round for the wildcard. No reason to doubt them. They're competitive and like I've said, with 6 under center, they've gone toe to toe with good teams. They believe in the guy, and that's good with me. If some haters wanna continue the hate, let them. Some of us will be saying the told you so at the end of the season.

Really excited to get Rolle back. He's a damn good safety


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[Broc]

if you're seeing a QB hit free agency, chances are they're not going to be an upgrade over Jay Cutler.

Wrong.

The Bears could of grabbed Brian Hoyer in FA this past offseason who most consider to be a complete bum... compare their stats...

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
10 Brian Hoyer, QB HOU 106 180 58.9 1,346 7.48 42 11 3 10 95.7 269
20 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 106 174 60.9 1,231 7.08 50 7 4 8 86.2 246

This dumb narrative that we have to hold on to Cutler at all costs because no one else could possibly be an upgrade is complete and utter horseshit.

Jay Cutler cost $16.5m against the cap this year while Hoyer's cap hit is $5.2m.

Please, someone explain why it's so vital the Bears overpay Cutler $17m next year when they could get someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick (currently ranked .1 of a point under Cutler) to be the same exact placeholder for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Mongo_76]

Cutler's play of late and his contract suggests he'll be our qb for another 3 years and possibly longer if he restructures in 2019.

Just so I'm clear, when you say "his play of late", you mean his 86.2 QB rating this year - which is 3 points lower than 2013, 2 points lower than last year, and only one point better than his pathetic career average?

 

[Larsonite]

Just so I'm clear, when you say "his play of late", you mean his 86.2 QB rating this year - which is 3 points lower than 2013, 2 points lower than last year, and only one point better than his pathetic career average?

I wrote more on it in a previous post but if Cutler plays better and better as the season goes on, it could mean Pace avoids using his resources to replace Cutler.

Cutler is learning Gase's offense and if he ascends and does not descend, it could mean we don't draft a QB early. If cutler continues to ascend next year, it may result in a much longer stay than many are anticipating.

I'm not a big stat guy to prove a point as i think far more go into stats than the just the individual player. But i do think there is little to debate on the eye test. Most agree Cutler has his moments good and bad.

But my topic was more about projecting where Pace allocates resources to improve the team. I see a very likely scenario that Pace does not use an early pick in the next draft on a QB. And, if Cutler plays "well" next year, i don't see Pace making any move to replace Cutler. In fact, given that scenario, Cutler could play for 3 more years under his current contact.

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[Chicagowin]

I've never even heard of this Hunt guy. Why are you so sure he'll go #1?