I am all in on rebuild

[CSF77]

He is getting a look, hitting below .150 last data seen.

Always an adjustment peroid. Sink or swim.

 

[CSF77]

Ortega continues to impress. He might be a guy worth keeping around for a bit

I was thinking the same.

Next year i would like to see (with DH)

Ortega CF
Madigal 2B
Castellanos DH
Belt 1B
Wisdom 3B
Contreras C
Deichmann LF
Davis RF (Heyward until ready)
Hoerner 2B

Ortega and Wisdom have both shown enough to stick around for a few years and TBH are giving vet production at a fraction of the cost. That means more resourses to pump up the bull pen.

Looking at games right now. The team is scoring the same. The diffrence is middle relief. Those wins are now losses.

 

[knoxville7]

I was thinking the same.

Next year i would like to see (with DH)

Ortega CF
Madigal 2B
Castellanos DH
Belt 1B
Wisdom 3B
Contreras C
Deichmann LF
Davis RF (Heyward until ready)
Hoerner 2B

Ortega and Wisdom have both shown enough to stick around for a few years and TBH are giving vet production at a fraction of the cost. That means more resourses to pump up the bull pen.

Looking at games right now. The team is scoring the same. The diffrence is middle relief. Those wins are now losses.

I mean, it’s fine to keep wisdom around as a bench player, but that 38% K rate is real. I still think the league figures him out.

I do love the idea of bringing castellanos back, though

 

[CSF77]

Anybody still watching these games?

Not watching. Ill check in here and there. Checked on Steel and he had a bump in his 2nd time through the brewers line up.

Ortega is just a pro and looking like the missing lead off.

Pen sucks ass. What happens when you drop 3 studds.

Wick came back and pitched a clean.

So I am looking at what affects 2022 vs wins. **** wins anyways. I deem that younger players getting the work in more important.

 

[CSF77]

I mean, it’s fine to keep wisdom around as a bench player, but that 38% K rate is real. I still think the league figures him out.

I do love the idea of bringing castellanos back, though

3B is pretty weak sauce right now in general.

Im good making the bottom of the line up

Belt
Contreras
Heyward
Wisdom
Deichmann
Hoerner

I agree that the srrike outs will suck with him. That is why you keep Bote to offset his slumps.

But at the end of the day Wisdom hurts the ball. You accept lackings as long as that 1 tool is +++. Byt you dont make your line up co-dependant on a Baez type.

 

[CSF77]

End of the day he is a temp. Markwt at 3B is just that bad. Giants most likey pay Bryant and teams will over pay for 2nd rate 3B due to the lack of depth. A player like Story could cash in with a 3B convert due to the market weakness.

 

[CSF77]

That is classic.

Tital of Cubs story.

Arrieta aims to rebound.

Brewers up 7-0 1st inning.

Yep he was aiming at bats.

Tital should be Brewers aim at rebounding off the ivy and Jake's washed up career.

 

[CSF77]

Jake needs to move on to his next phase of life. Pitching batting practice to 10 YO's where he can get some outs (maybe).

 

[CSF77]

Ortega singles. Contreras and Happ decide nope and ruin it.

This team **** me.

 

[knoxville7]

3B is pretty weak sauce right now in general.

Im good making the bottom of the line up

Belt
Contreras
Heyward
Wisdom
Deichmann
Hoerner

I agree that the srrike outs will suck with him. That is why you keep Bote to offset his slumps.

But at the end of the day Wisdom hurts the ball. You accept lackings as long as that 1 tool is +++. Byt you dont make your line up co-dependant on a Baez type.

yeah, he has one tool…that’s why ideally he is a bench player that gets about 250-300 AB’s in a season, not 500-600 AB’s

I’d be all for the cubs signing a SS this offseason and letting hoerner play 3B. He’s not the typical corner power guy, but if he can hit .300 and take his walks, then he’s a valuable piece to have out there.

sign Correa or Simmons to play SS, madrigal at 2B, hoerner at 3B. Perhaps a guy like belt at first.

OF of Ortega, Castellanos, and Heyward with Diechmann as the 4th guy and Davis coming up soon. If the DH is a thing, that makes incorporating Davis when he’s ready a lot easier. Ortega could be a classic flip next season if he performs well. Guy is 30, so not a long term fix anyways. Around the trade deadline flip him and bring up Davis. Or if Ortega just sucks, then that’s easy to replace him with Davis anyways

so an offseason of castellanos, Correa/Simmons, and belt would be really good. But that doesn’t even take into account the pitching targets lol

 

[dchawks59]

Blackout would be good on a day and night like the Cubs are having. How many times can a team strikeout in a game 27 for 9 innings; cubs have 14 in 6.3.... could not hit the ball if it was a softball tonight. However, they do lead in # of strikeouts by batters per game in ML, at least we can hang our hats on that stat. Sad!

 

[jts1207]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425639287027032066

 

[Diehardfan]

Blackout would be good on a day and night like the Cubs are having. How many times can a team strikeout in a game 27 for 9 innings; cubs have 14 in 6.3.... could not hit the ball if it was a softball tonight. However, they do lead in # of strikeouts by batters per game in ML, at least we can hang our hats on that stat. Sad!

What are you bitching about? They're doing what needs to be done. They are throwing a team of AAA players out there for a reason. Who the hell is still watching anyway? Come 10:00, read the boxscore and move on. I think they got a shot at 100 losses which might be good for a top 5 pick. They need an infusion of young talent and high draft picks is the best way to get that done.

 

[CSF77]

 

[CSF77]

yeah, he has one tool…that’s why ideally he is a bench player that gets about 250-300 AB’s in a season, not 500-600 AB’s

I’d be all for the cubs signing a SS this offseason and letting hoerner play 3B. He’s not the typical corner power guy, but if he can hit .300 and take his walks, then he’s a valuable piece to have out there.

sign Correa or Simmons to play SS, madrigal at 2B, hoerner at 3B. Perhaps a guy like belt at first.

OF of Ortega, Castellanos, and Heyward with Diechmann as the 4th guy and Davis coming up soon. If the DH is a thing, that makes incorporating Davis when he’s ready a lot easier. Ortega could be a classic flip next season if he performs well. Guy is 30, so not a long term fix anyways. Around the trade deadline flip him and bring up Davis. Or if Ortega just sucks, then that’s easy to replace him with Davis anyways

so an offseason of castellanos, Correa/Simmons, and belt would be really good. But that doesn’t even take into account the pitching targets lol

My thought was Ortega in CF until Crow is ready. Just use him. Crow should be at Tenn next yesr.

Davis is what 6'6". Small frame that he most likely grows into. RF makes sense with him. His power will play up as he ages.

LF to me is a spot for a left handed bat. Castellanos is idea as a DH. But they need to add left handed bats more.

RH bats
Castillo
Hoerner
Madigal
Wisdom


LH bats
Ortega
Deichmann
Heyward.

So Belt to me holds more value in a investment. The OF would be Deichmann, Ortega, Heyward
1B Belt

3B Wisdom, SS Hoerner, 2B Madigal, C Castillo.

4/4 so balance.

Now outside of the box talk.

Say Jed gets the green light to spend big.

He targets Seager. Puts him at 3B. Signs Belt 1B. Signs Castellanos LF and trades Wisdom for a pen arm. Even swap. Crazy thing is this is 70M and a drop in the bucket with the payroll flex.

Now if the DH is a thing then move Nick there full time and let Deichmann soak PA's in LF with Heyward in RF.

Davis would be at his cup of Joe stop in Iowa. Bring him up mid season and rotate the OF.

This pretty much makes the line up pretty solid.

Rotation I would just target Rondon. Another 25M. We are talking 105 added to the 58M base.

Pen move Mills to MR Maples Hauer and Wick holding the fort. Weick back to add a late inning lefty.

I would fast track Kilian and Marquez. Add both in June. Marquez takes over the 9th. Kilian adds depth to MR. Basically feet wet year. Marquez IMO should stick there. Push Wicks up to bolster the rotation when Kyle is short.

 

[jts1207]

Deichmann hasn’t shown me anything

 

[CSF77]

Deichmann hasn’t shown me anything

Ya. The step from AAA to MLB is huge. AAA he was at 18% walks and 23% SO. So with experence it should fall under those lines.

But right now? Meaningless games are the time for growing pains. After 2 months vs live Jed should have a idea on push out in the OF or AAA fodder.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I don't understand signing Castellanos, unless the intent is to flip him. Otherwise if we sign people we use the massive cap available the next 3 years to give massive front loaded deals to young talent, and have them for 5-7 years.

Just as an example:

Correa 36 years old, 7 year deal for 200 million:
35 million - 27
35 million - 28
35 million -29
30 million - 30
25 million -31
20 million - 32
20 million - 33

The above is just a general blueprint. If Correa wants more we can actually add more to years 1-3.

Rodon 29 years old 7 year deal 140 million:
25 million - 30
25 million - 31
25 million -32
20 million - 33
15 million -34
15million - 35
15million - 36

And years 2022 and 2023 you ink other guys to one year deals on players who can be flipped if the team isn't in contention.

 

[DrGonzo]

It's gonna be a long couple of years. Hopefully the youth movement makes them interesting enough to watch while they develop. Also hopefully they can scrap their way to winning the season series against the Cards.

 

[knoxville7]

I don't understand signing Castellanos, unless the intent is to flip him. Otherwise if we sign people we use the massive cap available the next 3 years to give massive front loaded deals to young talent, and have them for 5-7 years.

Just as an example:

Correa 36 years old, 7 year deal for 200 million:
35 million - 27
35 million - 28
35 million -29
30 million - 30
25 million -31
20 million - 32
20 million - 33

The above is just a general blueprint. If Correa wants more we can actually add more to years 1-3.

Rodon 29 years old 7 year deal 140 million:
25 million - 30
25 million - 31
25 million -32
20 million - 33
15 million -34
15million - 35
15million - 36

And years 2022 and 2023 you ink other guys to one year deals on players who can be flipped if the team isn't in contention.

what is it you don’t understand about signing castellanos? You mention not understanding it but don’t really go on to say why. Is it age? Because he’s 29 just like rodon, whomst you propose signing. So not sure what it is you don’t like about it? Guy flat out rakes the baseball. Give him 5 years and 150 mil and call it good