I Like Ryan Pace!!!

[Myk]

The truth is great franchises are not built by tanking a draft like the colts did for luck... or like the browns did for the last 4 years.

I think we can rule out the Browns tanking for picks.

 

[BearFanJohn]

Bottom line. Pace love to create holes and fill them with inexperience. We can only hope things work out.

Or with a more optimistic point of view, get rid of the old and bring in the new and, in many cases, more talented. No GM loves to create holes that is just silly-to use a word that is more polite than deserved.

 

[TL1961]

Some just won't get some of the signings Pace made to get through the rebuild even though they were only signings to do just that....get through the rebuild to see if any were worth another contract or keeping for more then the one year of the guaranteed money on their contracts. The Glennon contract is what most use as their big reason to say Pace sucks at his job. Many of the Pace haters have come around and changed their stance on him after this free agency.

The Glennon signing had one purpose- to not rush Trubisky and ruin him on a bad team with no WR's. The fact that Glennon played worse than he ever had previously didn't help, but it changed nothing. It didn't prevent us from acquiring any useful player we could still have today.

And the minute Trubisky took over, the talk shifted from "bad QB play" to "wow, our QB has nobody to throw to".

The Glennon time did not go well. But it was not a setback. It's not like missing on a draft pick you can't recoup.

 

[TL1961]

According to NFL Draft Countdown, Chicago landed 10 of the top 300 players:
7- R Smith
17- J Daniels
67- A Miller
113- K Toliver
159- K Fitts
161- B Nichols
197- J Iyiegbuniwe
210- J Wims
233- D Allen
240- M Joseph

300/32 = 9.375

Most teams should have the same number of top 300 as we got.

 

[Omeletpants]

One good draft erases 3 years of meh by Pace? Really? Even a fucking idiot can make a couple of good picks

 

[alexbear1]

McPhee wasn't a miss. He was injured more than anyone would have liked. When he was on the field he was decent and he brought a strong mentality and a desire to win with him. Most importantly as with almost all of Pace's free agency signings his contract didn't blow up our salary cap space down the road.

Pace has been solid seeing as he had very little to work with when he first came here. The franchise was due a proper rebuild and he is delivering upon his aim to do just that. His FA signings haven't all worked but they were never going to (I am sure there was a lot of players that weren't willing to come to Chicago especially when Pace wasn't willing to overpay) and you can see what he's really willing to do in FA this offseason when he feels that the team actually has a chance to win after 3 rebuilding years.

The roster is now the strongest it has ever been. And Pace has the coaches he wants. Two good coaches indeed. Nagy and Fangio.

The time to judge him is in the next two years. If they fail to reach the play offs then it will have been a failure. Unfortunately for him the NFC North in its entirety is probably currently one of the strongest divisions though that isn't an excuse.

 

[Big Tyme D]

One good draft erases 3 years of meh by Pace? Really? Even a fucking idiot can make a couple of good picks

Really.... 2015 draft we got we got Goldman and Amos.... both quality starters. 2016 Floyd, Whitehair, Howard... all quality starters. 2017 he drafted a franchise QB in Trubisky as well as Jackson another quality starter. Not too mention several quality back ups like Cohen and Kwiatkoski. the only 1st or 2nd round miss he choose so far was White.... and arguably he's an injury bust.... not on Pace.
Not even counting this year that's two to three quality starters per draft... with potentially more quality starters coming out of this year's draft. that's much better than 'meh'. During the past four years he has drafted as well if not better than most teams in the NFL... and that's just fact. Not
based on some bias hatred of the man.

 

[Starion]

When starting in the hole and needing talent + depth at virtually every position, yes, it makes sense to go for BPA. This will look like "no direction", but it takes several drafts to stack up a full roster, especially before FA will ever want to sign with a loser team in rebuild mode.

Bears HAD TO tank for a few years while filling the cupboard. As said, short term FA prove-it deals were just fillers to field a shitty team that earns high draft picks and potentially lands a few long-term keepers. Pace did exactly that.

Zero reason to spend big in a rebuild when the team was clearly rebuilding and in no way a contender anyway, yet people just loved to bitch about it day & night about not landing the top veteran DB for a huge handcuffing contract. SMH

Once talent starts falling into place, THEN you fill specific holes with targeted draft picks & $$, not just a huge pit of everything with anything. It all makes sense really. Some just aren't patient and don't get it. Too bad coaches & GMs can't be more transparent in their plans.


Nagy seems pretty open & straight up though, which is hugely refreshing. Hard for him to complain about his roster either. Exciting football to come.

 

[Starion]

Really.... 2015 draft we got we got Goldman and Amos.... both quality starters. 2016 Floyd, Whitehair, Howard... all quality starters. 2017 he drafted a franchise QB in Trubisky as well as Jackson another quality starter. Not too mention several quality back ups like Cohen and Kwiatkoski. the only 1st or 2nd round miss he choose so far was White.... and arguably he's an injury bust.... not on Pace.
Not even counting this year that's two to three quality starters per draft... with potentially more quality starters coming out of this year's draft. that's much better than 'meh'. During the past four years he has drafted as well if not better than most teams in the NFL... and that's just fact. Not
based on some bias hatred of the man.

Don't bother with Ommy. 100% TROLL. No possible way someone can be so contradictory by way of ignorance. He knows he's wrong, has been smacked in the face repeatedly with facts, and is just being an pompous ass seeking attention and poisoning good threads and fun ones alike. A cancer to CCS. Go Bears.

 

[Bearly]

The Glennon signing had one purpose- to not rush Trubisky and ruin him on a bad team with no WR's. The fact that Glennon played worse than he ever had previously didn't help, but it changed nothing. It didn't prevent us from acquiring any useful player we could still have today.

And the minute Trubisky took over, the talk shifted from "bad QB play" to "wow, our QB has nobody to throw to".

The Glennon time did not go well. But it was not a setback. It's not like missing on a draft pick you can't recoup.

While this is true, we actually had potential WRs when we signed Glennon. Both White and Cam projected to start along with Wright in the slot. Not a great history but may have helped Glennon get through 1/2 a season or more.

 

[Bearly]

McPhee wasn't a miss. He was injured more than anyone would have liked. When he was on the field he was decent and he brought a strong mentality and a desire to win with him. Most importantly as with almost all of Pace's free agency signings his contract didn't blow up our salary cap space down the road.

Pace has been solid seeing as he had very little to work with when he first came here. The franchise was due a proper rebuild and he is delivering upon his aim to do just that. His FA signings haven't all worked but they were never going to (I am sure there was a lot of players that weren't willing to come to Chicago especially when Pace wasn't willing to overpay) and you can see what he's really willing to do in FA this offseason when he feels that the team actually has a chance to win after 3 rebuilding years.

The roster is now the strongest it has ever been. And Pace has the coaches he wants. Two good coaches indeed. Nagy and Fangio.

The time to judge him is in the next two years. If they fail to reach the play offs then it will have been a failure. Unfortunately for him the NFC North in its entirety is probably currently one of the strongest divisions though that isn't an excuse.

I like Pace fine but McPhee was injured when signed. Pace rolled the dice. Whether he was a hit or miss is a matter of perspective of availability vs performance when available. The only thing holding Pace's drafts back is White which was an injury situation and does not reflect on his drafting. Had White become a solid #1 or #2, that draft would have garnered us 3 VG starters. That's the definition of a good draft. 2 starters with another contributor or 2 is about average and we didn't get that either so his 1st draft was below average but far from a bust. When your 1st rounder can't play due to injury ( when drafted without that propensity) it's not on the GM. His drafts since then have been pretty awesome from my personal perspective.

FA has been less good until this year but it's not for lack of trying. He offered the most a few times, only to be rejected from FAs that didn't want to play in that O or with the talent inherited. Means that you're bidding on scraps. That he signed some was inevitable. That said, he's had some hits and possibly the best off season in the league this year. Nobody bats 1000 and his 1st draft was with a scouting system not of his design.

None of us know how much influence Arcosi had on the Fox signing but we do know it was a strong recommendation. That we hired him was a mixed blessing. It did help the get the locker room straightened out and put us in position for the last 2 drafts. In effect, if we were rebuilding (and we were) it didn't hurt other than watching that boring brand of ball. The uproar over Forte and Marshall was out of hand. Pace knew it would take a few years and where are they now?

Hiring Nagy and drafting Trubisky has effectively leveled the FA acquisition playing field. Pace's vision of the Bears begins now. No more reasons for not being an average team this year and in contention moving forward.

 

[modo]

300/32 = 9.375

Most teams should have the same number of top 300 as we got.

Our lowest rated player was listed at 240. So technically it would be best 10 out of 240

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[framesh1ft]

He's miles better than Emery or late period Angelo. Pace's biggest bust in the 1st round was Kevin White but that wasn't his fault necessarily. Everyone projected Kevin White as a top 10 talent in that draft and unfortunate injuries have stunted his development. Maybe Kevin White can be salvaged but at least ppl weren't scratching their heads. Emery's McClellin pick in the first round was a terrible reach and he should have taken Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower, Whitney Mercilus, or Harrison Smith who were all picked a few picks later. By the end Angelo had seemingly completely given up taking guys like Gabe Carimi in the first round who many thought was a reach at the time.

Also, Pace does well in rounds 4 and 5 where Angelo and Emery constantly failed. Emery was a step up from Angelo because at least he got a few good players (Kyle long, kyle fuller, alshon jeffery) but only because Angelo was so terrible by the end that it was hard not to be. Pace is much better than either.

I don't really get the hate for the free agent signings. I mean you need players and you can only sign the ones A) available in free agency and B) Willing to sign with your team. Who hasn't he signed that he could have gotten? Most people seem to forget the player's have agency in free AGENCY so they can choose their team if they have multiple offers. It's not like any of those contracts have kept the Bears from signing who they'd like to sign.

 

[Kazu2324]

Just a random thing I found on Reddit but it's pretty cool mapping out Bears players' age on the current roster. The team is very young with a young coach, so hoping for a very bright future!!!

Source: https://i.redd.it/ege0hvnsm4v01.png

 

[Josh2J]

I am going to hate the Shaheen pick with a passion and hold that one against Pace until Shaheen makes a pro bowl

 

[Username]

Or with a more optimistic point of view, get rid of the old and bring in the new and, in many cases, more talented. No GM loves to create holes that is just silly-to use a word that is more polite than deserved.

Ok, what word would you use for hole?

 

[Sparks500]

Pace knew Fox was not the future. He's been trying to draft core pieces without really knowing who his coaching staff was going to be up until a few months ago. You can see he knew the direction he wanted the team to take, even though Fox was the opposite direction, but he had no idea what his new staff would need specifically. IMO, keeping Fangio was almost crucial because he was giving him the players he wanted. This draft was Pace unleashed with his coaching staffs collaboration.
I think Pace has done everything he can to bring this team into this century, seeing as the Mcaskeys pretty much skipped the last one altogether. Whether it work or not remains to be seen, but I like it so far...