I love when missles get shot in the air....

[BiscuitintheBasket]

The size of the contrail does not always constitute the size of the plane. Air pressure and winds aloft can take a pretty small contrail and make it huge. Does not take much for a common jetliner to make a contrail of that size.



And none of this is to say that I am taking a side in this debate, just throwing as a possibility from the debate.

 

[Pez68]

That doesn't look like a contrail though. That looks like a fucking plume of smoke... lol



Have you ever seen a plane leave something like that behind it? Like I said, if it was a jetliner, the FAA would have known about it and said as much immediately. Especially after 9/11. The last thing the FAA wants is to look clueless. There wouldn't be all this confusion about it. Someone would have just come out and said "yeah, we had it on radar. It's flight xxx out of xxxx." Right?

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

That doesn't look like a contrail though. That looks like a fucking plume of smoke... lol



Have you ever seen a plane leave something like that behind it? Like I said, if it was a jetliner, the FAA would have known about it and said as much immediately. Especially after 9/11. The last thing the FAA wants is to look clueless. There wouldn't be all this confusion about it. Someone would have just come out and said "yeah, we had it on rader. It's flight xxx out of xxxx." Right?

Yes I have, and it is not a rarity. Part of the joys of being in an aviation unit during my time in the military. But really one just needs to watch contrails during low temp high pressure days to see it happen more often. Also, moving pretty darn slow for a missile that would be throwing a wide blast.



Perhaps it was so mundane to the FAA that they wanted to error on the side of caution with their initial response...because really giving a definitive in any direction tends to get the extreme sides of the pendulum spinning crazy mad. Worse if that initial statement ended up being incorrect. Just need to watch what happens the media when they are too quick to report without solid facts...or with you being in computer networking, making a change and providing a definitive answer to an issue when you do not really know the cause of the issue.





Again, I am not picking sides, just throwing out perspective.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Trust me on this: a US sub did not test launch a trident missile or any other kind of prototype. RK, I am going to go to work today and research what you said...remember this though, something like that is going to get that kind of response until it's answered. You and I have never had any issues before (that I am aware of) but I got to admit, the first comment you made about the "Buddy in San Diego", illicted a very loud big fucking deal from me. I know a metric ass-ton of people in Sandog myself, who have their finger on the pulse too. As far as the Kitty hawk and the chinky boat, they only gave you only part of the whole episode.



We've all watched the shuttle launched on tv (or in person), right...how many contrails or plumes of smoke does it leave?? Remember this, it uses two booster rockets and its main engines for launch. Correct me if I am wrong but it leaves one large contrail or plume of smoke. You can also go online and look up pictures of jet liners (as I hear strands of Steve Miller in the background) leaving one or more huge contrails behind them.



Believe conspiracy or cover-up all you want, I still am not sure about anything other than it wasnt ours from the get go, and that there is no way a foreign boat can get that close and launch an ICBM............some cold war tactics are still in employ.

 

[jakobeast]

Trust me on this: a US sub did not test launch a trident missile or any other kind of prototype. RK, I am going to go to work today and research what you said...remember this though, something like that is going to get that kind of response until it's answered. You and I have never had any issues before (that I am aware of) but I got to admit, the first comment you made about the "Buddy in San Diego", illicted a very loud big fucking deal from me. I know a metric ass-ton of people in Sandog myself, who have their finger on the pulse too. As far as the Kitty hawk and the chinky boat, they only gave you only part of the whole episode.



We've all watched the shuttle launched on tv (or in person), right...how many contrails or plumes of smoke does it leave?? Remember this, it uses two booster rockets and its main engines for launch. Correct me if I am wrong but it leaves one large contrail or plume of smoke. You can also go online and look up pictures of jet liners (as I hear strands of Steve Miller in the background) leaving one or more huge contrails behind them.



Believe conspiracy or cover-up all you want, I still am not sure about anything other than it wasnt ours from the get go, and that there is no way a foreign boat can get that close and launch an ICBM............some cold war tactics are still in employ.

GIVING AWAY SECRETS!!!!!

 

[bubbleheadchief]

GIVING AWAY SECRETS!!!!!

Not at all, it's all common sense stuff you can look up on the internet.

 

[jakobeast]

Not at all, it's all common sense stuff you can look up on the internet.

Inter-net you say????

 

[TSD]

Trust me on this: a US sub did not test launch a trident missile or any other kind of prototype. RK, I am going to go to work today and research what you said...remember this though, something like that is going to get that kind of response until it's answered. You and I have never had any issues before (that I am aware of) but I got to admit, the first comment you made about the "Buddy in San Diego", illicted a very loud big fucking deal from me. I know a metric ass-ton of people in Sandog myself, who have their finger on the pulse too. As far as the Kitty hawk and the chinky boat, they only gave you only part of the whole episode.



We've all watched the shuttle launched on tv (or in person), right...how many contrails or plumes of smoke does it leave?? Remember this, it uses two booster rockets and its main engines for launch. Correct me if I am wrong but it leaves one large contrail or plume of smoke. You can also go online and look up pictures of jet liners (as I hear strands of Steve Miller in the background) leaving one or more huge contrails behind them.



Believe conspiracy or cover-up all you want, I still am not sure about anything other than it wasnt ours from the get go, and that there is no way a foreign boat can get that close and launch an ICBM............some cold war tactics are still in employ.

Im not implying anything in regard to "the government doing it and covering it up". I just can't accept "it was a plane" and close the book on the case. Unless they provide information on how they know that. Its just dubious to me that throughout the whole episode the DoD, USAF, USN had no answer. In a post 9/11 world its just fucked up to me, that we essentially have a(lets call it what it is) UFO and the answer we get initially from official channels is, "No idea, but its no big deal" then "its a plane, eveb though we cant produce any details on that".



Either way, missle or plane, they still dont know who or what it was, and are telling the public its no big deal. Maybe it is no big deal, but I dont like the idea of people being able to fly jets or missles without being monitored.



I mean seriously if somebody can even fly a plane under the radar of the military whats to stop some terrorist from doing the same thing?

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Inter-net you say????

yea, it is on computers now.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Im not implying anything in regard to "the government doing it and covering it up". I just can't accept "it was a plane" and close the book on the case. Unless they provide information on how they know that. Its just dubious to me that throughout the whole episode the DoD, USAF, USN had no answer. In a post 9/11 world its just fucked up to me, that we essentially have a(lets call it what it is) UFO and the answer we get initially from official channels is, "No idea, but its no big deal" then "its a plane, eveb though we cant produce any details on that".



Either way, missle or plane, they still dont know who or what it was, and are telling the public its no big deal. Maybe it is no big deal, but I dont like the idea of people being able to fly jets or missles without being monitored.



I mean seriously if somebody can even fly a plane under the radar of the military whats to stop some terrorist from doing the same thing?

From an earlier post of mine:

Perhaps it was so mundane to the FAA that they wanted to error on the side of caution with their initial response...because really giving a definitive in any direction tends to get the extreme sides of the pendulum spinning crazy mad. Worse if that initial statement ended up being incorrect. Just need to watch what happens the media when they are too quick to report without solid facts...

Could also apply to all groups with what they have stated.



As far as the FAA not being able to pin-point the craft at the time, having been in plenty of Air Traffic Centers/control towers, I can tell you that it is pure chaos and their highest concern is to prevent mid-air impacts and proper routing. The guys are on and off planes pretty quickly and with the sheer number I doubt many of them remember the non-issue AID's for long. Again this could be so mundane that it is lost in the shuffle to them.



Besides if it was some "enemy" that did this, where is the usual gloating? And doesn't the US usually point the finger quickly if they even suspect it from someone else.

 

[R K]

Trust me on this: a US sub did not test launch a trident missile or any other kind of prototype. RK, I am going to go to work today and research what you said...remember this though, something like that is going to get that kind of response until it's answered. You and I have never had any issues before (that I am aware of) but I got to admit, the first comment you made about the "Buddy in San Diego", illicted a very loud big fucking deal from me. I know a metric ass-ton of people in Sandog myself, who have their finger on the pulse too. As far as the Kitty hawk and the chinky boat, they only gave you only part of the whole episode.



We've all watched the shuttle launched on tv (or in person), right...how many contrails or plumes of smoke does it leave?? Remember this, it uses two booster rockets and its main engines for launch. Correct me if I am wrong but it leaves one large contrail or plume of smoke. You can also go online and look up pictures of jet liners (as I hear strands of Steve Miller in the background) leaving one or more huge contrails behind them.



Believe conspiracy or cover-up all you want, I still am not sure about anything other than it wasnt ours from the get go, and that there is no way a foreign boat can get that close and launch an ICBM............some cold war tactics are still in employ.

I was just relaying what I was told. Don't shoot the messenger buddy! LOL!



Must have had some merit they knew about the chinky boat! hehe

 

[bubbleheadchief]

I was just relaying what I was told. Don't shoot the messenger buddy! LOL!



Must have had some merit they knew about the chinky boat! hehe

LOL....I know, thats why I said it the way I did. I dont know...woke up in a pissy mood, and glad I didnt say anything asshole-ish (well more asshole-ish than normal)

 

[R K]

LOL....I know, thats why I said it the way I did. I dont know...woke up in a pissy mood, and glad I didnt say anything asshole-ish (well more asshole-ish than normal)

I'm reading through it going, "wait a minute I didn't tell anyone to **** off"... LOL!



no biggie. I've known my buddy who is in the service since I was about 8 so if he's telling me something it's what he thinks is going on.

 

[BigPete]

CNN had a guy on last night that said it was some jumbo jet flight out of Hawaii. He even showed a picture of a contrail from that flight on a different day that looks almost exactly the same. Sorry but I don't remember the flight number. It was a jumbo with four engines though.

Still believe it was a conspiracy?

 

[R K]

Usually I'm not one buying into the big conspiracies. Conspiracies such as the US being responsible for the planes blowing through the Trade Centers, or the gem the US never landed on the Moon and it was actually created in Area 51.



But after watching that last night Pete, no It did not convince me it was a plane from the Middle of the Pacific, verses something traveling upward 30miles off the coast of California.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Trust me the FAA is clueless on a lot of things. But reading the explanations about the plane theory make it seem more plausible. Coulda just been a plane flying at a really high altitude, causing the contrail to appear curved due to the curve of the earth. Just look at any plane that flies overhead and leaves a contrail, they all appear curved even though the plane is flying straight.



That said I still don't buy the plane theory.

 

[Variable]

Usually I'm not one buying into the big conspiracies. Conspiracies such as the US being responsible for the planes blowing through the Trade Centers, or the gem the US never landed on the Moon and it was actually created in Area 51.



But after watching that last night Pete, no It did not convince me it was a plane from the Middle of the Pacific, verses something traveling upward 30miles off the coast of California.

Well there's a difference between big conspiracies and baseless conspiracies. There are a lot of big, globe spanning conspiracies that are completely true, a lot them truly frightening ones, which after having learned about them, nothing really surprises you anymore. You realize there is really nothing that is out of limits. The excuse of "There's no way the government would ever do that to us" becomes less and less convincing the more you learn what they've already done.



And Pete, the news isn't the news, it's just what you're allowed to know, whats deemed fit for general consumption. Most of which is half truths anyway. So what some guy says on CNN of all places should more often than not be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[supraman]

Look it was Superman and he was gassy. Simple as that.

 

[TSD]

Well there's a difference between big conspiracies and baseless conspiracies. There are a lot of big, globe spanning conspiracies that are completely true, a lot them truly frightening ones, which after having learned about them, nothing really surprises you anymore. You realize there is really nothing that is out of limits. The excuse of "There's no way the government would ever do that to us" becomes less and less convincing the more you learn what they've already done.



And Pete, the news isn't the news, it's just what you're allowed to know, whats deemed fit for general consumption. Most of which is half truths anyway. So what some guy says on CNN of all places should more often than not be taken with a grain of salt.

Im sure Pete is well aware of things the military or government for that matter may cover up/twist/contort to suite needs, he was in Army intelligence if I recall correctly, which even for my MOS I had secret clearance but I personally never learned anything I thought warranted secrecy.

 

[Variable]

Well then yeah, now knowing that, he should definitely know better than to think that just because CNN has some dude on saying its this or that, it doesn't really mean much. Not with their, or any of the mainstream news channels, track record.