If the top 3 choices for the Bears really are Johnson, Monken and McCarthy....

[Mighty Joe Young]

Alright boys, there is the stamp of approval for monken being a good coach.

Daniel shitting on someone GUARANTEES their success.

I mean, you're not wrong.

I fail to understand how an OC can coach their offense to 3 straight top 10 seasons and NOT be considered a top candidate?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

And many people have deluded themselves into thinking Johnson is the next McVay.

I don't think anyone deluded themselves into anything.

Johnson is the hot name out there, and he runs a successful offense and has done so for years and with Goff as his QB.

Doesn't mean he will be a good head coach - honestly you never know with any HC who has never held the role before, and if you go "yeah, that's right! That's why you should hire someone who has been a HC before!", well, the only guys with HC experience you can get usually are people who have been fired from their previous gig as HC, which shows they have some obvious limitations. Granted, McCarthy didn't get fired from Dallas this time, but he did get fired from Green Bay, so the point stands.

All any of us can do is hope we pick someone who is excellent at their craft, and figure out the head coaching thing well enough as they go along.

 

[msadows]

And how exactly did the Bears make Monken a hot candidate? How exactly does that work? Please expound.

The bears are the reason he has had dominant offenses the last few years in College/NFL. Simple!

 

[DanielCCSBears]

And many people have deluded themselves into thinking Johnson is the next McVay.

I don't know if he is or isn't. But he's been consistent thus far.

 

[msadows]

I don't know if he is or isn't. But he's been consistent thus far.

Hard not to be with 7 first round picks on the Offense

 

[bearsfan1977]

I don't know if he is or isn't. But he's been consistent thus far.

Right. Maybe he will be a good HC. Monken has a longer history of successful play calling. In fact, his last 4 years at UGA and BAL alone is longer than Ben’s history. So not sure how you arrived at your conclusions.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I mean, you're not wrong.

I fail to understand how an OC can coach their offense to 3 straight top 10 seasons and NOT be considered a top candidate?

Monken has been with the Ravens for two years and what precisely did he build in Baltimore that wasn't already in place?

In what way has he elevated them? Jackson was an MVP before he got there. The Ravens culture has been a culture of excellence for 25 years.

 

[ijustposthere]

Nagy was one of the hot candidates and believe or not so was Wanny

Wanny was definitely the hot name at the time. Nagy, IIRC, he kinda came out of nowhere and shot to the top.

 

[Szlachcic]

I don't think anyone deluded themselves into anything.

Johnson is the hot name out there, and he runs a successful offense and has done so for years and with Goff as his QB.

Johnson runs successful offense largely because of TOP, Pro Bowl talent throughout . Monken has success with average players plus some Pro Bowl caliber players. How he will perform as HC is unknown.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Monken has been with the Ravens for two years and what precisely did he build in Baltimore that wasn't already in place?

In what way has he elevated them? Jackson was an MVP before he got there. The Ravens culture has been a culture of excellence for 25 years.

It is Harbaugh's offense; you're not wrong in pointing that out.

But we saw back right before we hired Nagy how an OC can still find a way to **** things up running someone else's offense, as we saw when Reid handed the keys to Nagy for a playoff game and they could only manage 21 points.

You see it all the time around the league as well where an OC can really shit the bed.

Sometimes, having the humility to just keep the machine going in and of itself is a virtue in this league; it shows the ability to not overthink or overcomplicate things, which is something we've been struggling with on offense for a bit now.

 

[msadows]

Monken has been with the Ravens for two years and what precisely did he build in Baltimore that wasn't already in place?

In what way has he elevated them? Jackson was an MVP before he got there. The Ravens culture has been a culture of excellence for 25 years.

Clearly you dont watch football, because lamar has gone from a mediocre passer to a top 5 passer in the league.

You can say thats all lamar, but that change occured under monken.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Monken has been with the Ravens for two years and what precisely did he build in Baltimore that wasn't already in place?

In what way has he elevated them? Jackson was an MVP before he got there. The Ravens culture has been a culture of excellence for 25 years.

The Ravens averaged 20 points a game before Monken got there. With Monken, they average 30 points a game. I would say that counts as 'elevation'.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Johnson runs successful offense largely because of TOP, Pro Bowl talent throughout . Monken has success with average players plus some Pro Bowl caliber players. How he will perform as HC is unknown.

I've paid attention, and some of that is players, and some of it is scheme.

Way I see it?

Caleb (under Johnson) > Goff
DJ Moore = Amon Ra St Brown
Kmet = La Porta
Odunze = Williams
Swift = Well, Swift. He was there for Johnson's first year.

Even if you want to tell me that the Bears roster isn't as good as the Lions, the point is in terms of skills and abilities, the Bears already have the pieces they need at the skill positions to run what Ben wants to run. They just need to fix the offensive line and they can hit the ground running, and there is no place in a skill position where the Bears have a player who CAN'T do what Ben would need them to do in this offense.

Other than the line, it's pretty plug and play with the current personnel. Probably need another RB to fill the role Monty does but that's it.

That said, I agree that how he will perform as a HC is indeed unknown.

 

[msadows]

I've paid attention, and some of that is players, and some of it is scheme.

Way I see it?

Caleb (under Johnson) > Goff
DJ Moore = Amon Ra St Brown
Kmet = La Porta
Odunze = Williams
Swift = Well, Swift. He was there for Johnson's first year.

Even if you want to tell me that the Bears roster isn't as good as the Lions, the point is in terms of skills and abilities, the Bears already have the pieces they need at the skill positions to run what Ben wants to run. They just need to fix the offensive line and they can hit the ground running, and there is no place in a skill position where the Bears have a player who CAN'T do what Ben would need them to do in this offense.

Other than the line, it's pretty plug and play with the current personnel. Probably need another RB to fill the role Monty does but that's it.

That said, I agree that how he will perform as a HC is indeed unknown.

The different is 5 pro bowl level OL and 4 first round picks on the OL


That isnt easy to do

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Johnson runs successful offense largely because of TOP, Pro Bowl talent throughout . Monken has success with average players plus some Pro Bowl caliber players. How he will perform as HC is unknown.

The guy Johnson replaced couldn’t make it through the season with the pro bowl talent

 

[msadows]

The guy Johnson replaced couldn’t make it through the season with the pro bowl talent

Agreed, so its still impressive, but who knows how it will work with the bears.

That OL certainly has a major factor to his success however. IT will be curious how his offense looks when he isnt getting chunk run plays on first down, because thats happening no matter where he chooses.

 

[SlickWilly]

Monken is interviewing with the Bears and Jacksonville that's not a hot candidate. Monken wasn't a candidate until the Bears made him one.

McCarthy is only available because Jerry Jones thinks he can do better.

Bears fans have deluded themselves into believing Monken is the next Bruce Arians.

If McCarthy goes with New Orleans and Johnson the Raiders and the Bears are left with Monken there's not really a win here for Chicago.

Nobody cares what you think lard mouth.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Caleb (under Johnson) > Goff
DJ Moore = Amon Ra St Brown
Kmet = La Porta
Odunze = Williams
Swift = Well, Swift. He was there for Johnson's first year.

Why stop there?

Roschon Johnson > David Montgomery
Travis Homer > Jahmyr Gibbs
Larry Borom > Dan Skipper

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

The different is 5 pro bowl level OL and 4 first round picks on the OL


That isnt easy to do

You aren't wrong. But that's also why I think the Bears aggressively try to fix the line if they get Ben Johnson. I don't think he comes here without a guarantee that they will do everything in their power to beef that line up.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Why stop there?

Roschon Johnson > David Montgomery
Travis Homer > Jahmyr Gibbs
Larry Borom > Dan Skipper

If you are taking it that direction, then what I said went over your head.