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How can you say it's more of a x-men rip off if you never watched the 4400? Not quite sure the x-men was the first ever "humans with powers" fiction out there tbh.
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How can you say it's more of a x-men rip off if you never watched the 4400? Not quite sure the x-men was the first ever "humans with powers" fiction out there tbh.
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The Phantom is widely recognized as the first modern superhero from the mid 30s. There's a bunch of wacky power characters from the 1800s, ancient mythology, and Tolkienite influences(the works that influenced JRR, not the other way) that technically fit the mold as well. But unless someone is attempting to apply revisionism to the definition, the Phantom is really that #1. A few years before Clark Kent started vandalizing phone booths to stop jihadist locomotives. And like 30 years before Stan Lee went on a mutant creating bender.
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Because I know the premise of the 4400. As for the X-men, the thing that made them different is that their superpowers were from their genetics. They were not aliens (Superman), humans with tech (Batman, Iron Man), humans that got their powers via accident (Spiderman, Fantastic 4, Hulk), or descended from gods, (Thor, Wonder Women).
Their entire premise was that their powers were genetic mutations and that people feared and hated them because of it as they represented a threat to homosapien as they were called at times homosuperior. That is the premise of Heroes. That the powers are mutations and that they represent a threat to homosapiens. X-men was clearly the most popular superheroes that had that idea of mutants evolving from homosapiens into possible a new species.
Not to mention the creator Tim Kring is great friends with Jeb Loeb, a long time writer of the X-men comic books. When he thought about the idea of superheroes but without the costumes and grounded in reality, he called his great friend Jeb Loeb. There is no way he could have consulted Loeb with the idea and it not be influenced by the X-men when the story mirrors the X-men and when some of the characters have powers that are pretty much the same as the X-men.
I am not knocking the show for being a rip-off, I thoroughly enjoyed it when it came out. My point was simply now that the X-men are on film and TV (Legion and The Gifted), there is little reason for me personally to want a return of a show that was essentially based on their premise. You try and bring out Heroes or Alpha now and all the comic book fans that watched those shows because the X-men weren't on TV are not going to watch now. TV is littered not only with X-men shows but also all the Avengers stuff (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron First, Punisher) as well as the DC characters which I won't name as I don't follow DC like I do the X-men and Avengers outside of the new Black Lightning show.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/arts/television/30hero.html
The above talks about his relationship with Loeb and how they hashed out the premise of heroes. He flat out says they walked for 4 miles and that everything he was thinking about the show had been done in comics for 50 times. It also talks about how he shot the show by using angles that are popular in comics and how various tag lines like the to be continued came from comics. Not to mention the fact one of the people on the show sees the future and writes it down in the form of a comic. The inspiration was clearly comics not the 4400 and that influence was obviously first and foremost the X-men given the premise and Loeb's influence.
The above talks about his relationship with Loeb and how they hashed out the premise of heroes. He flat out says they walked for 4 miles and that everything he was thinking about the show had been done in comics for 50 times. It also talks about how he shot the show by using angles that are popular in comics and how various tag lines like the to be continued came from comics. Not to mention the fact one of the people on the show sees the future and writes it down in the form of a comic. The inspiration was clearly comics not the 4400 and that influence was obviously first and foremost the X-men given the premise and Loeb's influence.
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Ugly Americans was an extremely underrated show.
I did not appreciate it when it was airing.... but once in a while I catch an episode and it always has hilarious hidden gems.
I did not appreciate it when it was airing.... but once in a while I catch an episode and it always has hilarious hidden gems.
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Damn, I forgot about this one. The show grew on me as time went on.
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I feel the same with Futurama.... it has a front end humor that is cartoon and childish, but the underlying humor is the good stuff.
As I got older and started watching Futurama reruns it grew on me.
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Does anyone here watch Colony?
Wayward Pines?
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I watch Colony, not Wayward Pines.
Lol are you already feeling like Colony will get cancelled leaving us to wonder how it would have ended?
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I hope not. Suppose to be a season three, haven't heard when yet though.....
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Season 3 was ordered... but I could see the ratings tanking and them cancelling after S3 with no resolution to the narrative.
Probably end on some kind of cliffhanger lol
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