IGT: 12/03 Chicago Bulls @ Boston Celtics 7PM CST on ESPN

Who wins?

  • Chicago Bulls

    Votes: 4 44.4%
  • Boston Celtics

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • The Elbows

    Votes: 2 22.2%

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Capt. Serious

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Bulls showing why they're not championship caliber.
 

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Well boozer isn't a very good help defender. He's not into the offense yet. Right now Taj is palying better, so start Taj.

Bogans is my favorite scapegoat, but mostly for comic value. Brewer is a better player purely for his hustle and defense, and he gives you far more than bogans does.

Noah isn't a pg. When he tries to dribble against garnet, he tends to get stripped.

A lot of fouls weren't going our way.
Shaq still sucks on defense.

The celtics are a better team(sadly), and they played that way.
 

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If Bogans is the number 1 source of the Bulls problem...this must be a championship team, must be the best damn team in the league...lol.

But the Bulls are not the best team in the league, and Bogans is not the main problem. I hope you mean shooting guard is the main problem, which is still inaccurate, but sounds a bit better.

So you;'re saying it's bogans AND JL3?
 

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Well boozer isn't a very good help defender. He's not into the offense yet. Right now Taj is palying better, so start Taj.

Bogans is my favorite scapegoat, but mostly for comic value. Brewer is a better player purely for his hustle and defense, and he gives you far more than bogans does.

Noah isn't a pg. When he tries to dribble against garnet, he tends to get stripped.

A lot of fouls weren't going our way.
Shaq still sucks on defense.

The celtics are a better team(sadly), and they played that way.

You don't start Taj because you need Boozer to play with Rose and Noah, you have to integrate him into the system, having him play with Watson doesn't do that. This starting stuff is overrated. Taj played same amount of minutes the last two games he has played all season so what difference does it make?
 

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wasn't able to watch the first half of the game and AGAIN we are trailing against the Celtics. I just don't get this. Yes we are a very resilient team but against elite teams it's tough to overcome huge deficits without them having their own runs.
We really need another SG who can actually Score. Somebody athletic and talented enough to drive the basket, shoot jumpers consistently, make some clutch shots when our offense is stagnant.
Lastly Defense. Where is our defense right now?
 

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Can some1 figure out why we consistently go down in the first half?


Is it the offense? rose? Defense? Bogans? Benny? It can't be a coincidence that bulls go down every game early in the game.
 

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Can some1 figure out why we consistently go down in the first half?


Is it the offense? rose? Defense? Bogans? Benny? It can't be a coincidence that bulls go down every game early in the game.

Because we play 4 on 5 basketball to start every game. If 1 player is keeping a low profile, that sure as hell isn't helping the other guys. No momentum! Just how many comeback speeches can a coach use up at half time to win games.

We seriously need to make adjustments.
 

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I tried to tell people this :\

yup Kyle cannot create his own shots. That's why if the Bulls can acquire another shooter who can create his own shots this team will be better offensively. Kyle will always be useful for the team we need him for his 3pt shooting and catch and shoot abilities.
 

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People need to get over this idea that Carlos Boozer is going to bring the Bulls to the next level. He certainly helps make Chicago more consistently good for longer. But he is not very good defensively. He is more dominant inside than Gibson. But there's about 15 other PFs about as good of a scorer as Boozer.
 

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But there's about 15 other PFs about as good of a scorer as Boozer.

Really? I'd love to see who you have on that list. Because

Nowitzki
Stoudamire
Bosh
Boozer
Randolph
Duncan

Are the only guys averaging 20+ points per 36 over the last 5 years (OK, Griffin as well, but he hasn't really played enough yet). If you go 15 deep you're talking about guys like Charlie V and Jermaine O'Neal, who I don't think anyone would seriously call "about as good a scorer" as Boozer.
 

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Really? I'd love to see who you have on that list. Because

Nowitzki
Stoudamire
Bosh
Boozer
Randolph
Duncan

Are the only guys averaging 20+ points per 36 over the last 5 years (OK, Griffin as well, but he hasn't really played enough yet). If you go 15 deep you're talking about guys like Charlie V and Jermaine O'Neal, who I don't think anyone would seriously call "about as good a scorer" as Boozer.

players that are either above or close to the level of Boozer playing the PF position in the NBA:

(not necessarily in order)

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Tim Duncan
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Chris Bosh
7) Lamar Odom
8) Paul Millsap
9) LaMarcus Aldridge
10) Blake Griffin
11) David West
12) Josh Smith
13) Luis Scola
14) David Lee
15) Kevin Love
16) Zach Randolph

as for better low-post scorers than Boozer, I'd say only Stoudemire, Gasol, Duncan, Garnett, Scola, and Nowitzki are the only other PFs that even hold water as better in that category.

But I assure you that all 15 of these guys can score 20 points per-game fairly consistently except for Josh Smith, David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, and David West. So the number 15 may have been a little bit high (if Boozer is the same player he was a couple of years ago) but it's at least 10 players who are as good of a scorer.
 

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I still think you're being generous to some of the other guys. Duncan and Garnett are old and aren't as good at scoring anymore, they're now defensive guys who can chip in offensively. Millsap couldn't take Boozer's starting job from him in Utah for a reason.

Boozer is one of the top scorers at his position, he's certainly not making 15 million a year for his defense.
 

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players that are either above or close to the level of Boozer playing the PF position in the NBA:

(not necessarily in order)

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Tim Duncan
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Chris Bosh
7) Lamar Odom
8) Paul Millsap
9) LaMarcus Aldridge
10) Blake Griffin
11) David West
12) Josh Smith
13) Luis Scola
14) David Lee
15) Kevin Love
16) Zach Randolph

as for better low-post scorers than Boozer, I'd say only Stoudemire, Gasol, Duncan, Garnett, Scola, and Nowitzki are the only other PFs that even hold water as better in that category.

But I assure you that all 15 of these guys can score 20 points per-game fairly consistently except for Josh Smith, David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, and David West. So the number 15 may have been a little bit high (if Boozer is the same player he was a couple of years ago) but it's at least 10 players who are as good of a scorer.

You underestimate Boozer. Stoudemire cannot score in the post better than Boozer, not at all. Nowitzki doesn't really try to post in the paint that often, he is a high post player who faces the basket and relies a lot on his jump shot. Gasol is a beast, no complaints there, he can do pretty much anything all these guys can do with the exception of Nowitzki.

Duncan isn't as good a scorer as Boozer, neither is Garnett at this point in their careers. Scola is having a nice year but I wouldn't put him on Boozer's level at all simply because he hasn't done it consistently at a high level.
 

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You underestimate Boozer. Stoudemire cannot score in the post better than Boozer, not at all. Nowitzki doesn't really try to post in the paint that often, he is a high post player who faces the basket and relies a lot on his jump shot. Gasol is a beast, no complaints there, he can do pretty much anything all these guys can do with the exception of Nowitzki.

Duncan isn't as good a scorer as Boozer, neither is Garnett at this point in their careers. Scola is having a nice year but I wouldn't put him on Boozer's level at all simply because he hasn't done it consistently at a high level.

Yeah, I know that Boozer is one of the best low-post players for a PF. But those guys are certainly dominant down low as well. All I'm saying is that those 5 are on his level.

There's about 10 other PF's who are capable of going off for 20 points too on any given night.
 

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players that are either above or close to the level of Boozer playing the PF position in the NBA:

(not necessarily in order)

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Tim Duncan
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Chris Bosh
7) Lamar Odom
8) Paul Millsap
9) LaMarcus Aldridge
10) Blake Griffin
11) David West
12) Josh Smith
13) Luis Scola
14) David Lee
15) Kevin Love
16) Zach Randolph

you underestimate boozer as much as i underestimate joe johnson. Kevin love shouldn't be on this list. Josh smith? he's got a hook shot, but he's not really a post up potion.
 

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Boozer is better then several of those guys regarding offense. But man another tough loss. Boozer looked alot better though but our D really looked bad especially in the 3rd quarter.
 

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you underestimate boozer as much as i underestimate joe johnson. Kevin love shouldn't be on this list. Josh smith? he's got a hook shot, but he's not really a post up potion.

All I'm saying about those 16 guys is that they play at Boozer's level. Love is a great rebounder and semi-decent scorer. Smith is a great defensive player.
 

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players that are either above or close to the level of Boozer playing the PF position in the NBA:

(not necessarily in order)

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Tim Duncan
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Chris Bosh
7) Lamar Odom
8) Paul Millsap
9) LaMarcus Aldridge
10) Blake Griffin
11) David West
12) Josh Smith
13) Luis Scola
14) David Lee
15) Kevin Love
16) Zach Randolph

as for better low-post scorers than Boozer, I'd say only Stoudemire, Gasol, Duncan, Garnett, Scola, and Nowitzki are the only other PFs that even hold water as better in that category.

But I assure you that all 15 of these guys can score 20 points per-game fairly consistently except for Josh Smith, David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, and David West. So the number 15 may have been a little bit high (if Boozer is the same player he was a couple of years ago) but it's at least 10 players who are as good of a scorer.

I really disagree with those three, the others are all good though.
 
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