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It was nice don't get me wrong, but it was extremely basic and it was on............
Bogut.
Puts things in perspective.
IGT: BULLS vs Warriors Wednesday January 20th @ 7:00pm on CSN and ESPN
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It was nice don't get me wrong, but it was extremely basic and it was on............
Bogut.
Puts things in perspective.
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What an as kicking. Thanks for participating, Gasol, Mirotic, McBuckets, Snell, Etc. Really wonderful hustle and defense. Awful game. But man can those guys shoot or what?
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Effort and performance was bad. Definitely way below what you'd think this team is capable of. That being said, we saw this GS team completely dismantle the Cavs even worse than they beat us. And that Cavs team is a team that will dismantle us. So again, I'm not surprised we lost by 31. Certainly I wish anyone other than Rose showed up in the 1st half, but in the grand scheme, it wouldn't have mattered. They should feel embarrassed though.
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Rose said post game once again that no one is communicating on defense and that's a problem that really starts with Hoiberg... and if those players refuse to communicate on defense because they're not listening to Hoiberg for whatever reason, those guys need to be dealt with.
Niko looks like D-League material now.
Niko looks like D-League material now.
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I am tired of Niko and Snell. I rather watch McD right now. I put this on Jimmy and Pau. They are the "All Stars".
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There was a couple of times Rose got run off a pick and you could tell he did not see it coming and was not happy about it. I wonder how much of the communication came from Thibs though. Thibs used to yell shit all game long. I am sure that helps. I also wonder if Thibs yelling taught bad habits because the players didn't communicate as much as they need too.
Either way, the coach needs to hold players more accountable on both ends.
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The loss does not bother me. The missed open shots by Snell don't bother me. They were good shots. When you against the team with the ring and the best record in the league who just blew out your main rival you have to put forth better effort. That was a chance to make a statement, win or lose. The statement they made is "we shrink when the pressure is on".
Say what you want, but Noah was the emotional leader of this team and I wonder who on this roster is going to get them up for the big games.
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I am pretty sure Thibs taught his guys to communicate defensively. Noah and Taj, being defensive oriented players, would theoretically already do this because that's what good defenders do. Boozer, in spite of his many flaws, never had a communication problem. You could hear him calling out screens and whatnot, even if he did nothing beyond that. And of course you have Thibs yelling ICE on every screen as well, but ICE doesn't tell you which side the screen is coming from, that's on the players.
All that said, it's a problem now and it needs to be fixed.
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The statement isn't surprising to me either. We've seen it against every Lebron team we've played, this team can't get it done and eventually kneels over and dies. Certain players step their game up. Rose is usually one. Noah always gives that level of effort. We saw Taj step his game up at times in the playoffs, but it didn't happen last night. Jimmy made his claim to fame in the playoffs against the Cavs, but he too folded last night. Everyone else on this team disappears or is an unknown.
And definitely without Noah idk who will get this team fired up. Rose imo led by example on the court, but Noah has always been the vocal/emotional leader of the team and that's not something Rose does. And imo it's something Jimmy isn't doing the best job of right now.
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so rose has a nice little scoring night and everyone is back to shouting how he plays so well against elite matchups huh? how about the fact that rose still lost that elite matchup with curry last night?
Rose - 29 pts 2 assists 1 rebound 2 turnovers on 12 - 22 shooting
Curry - 25 pts 11 assists 7 rebounds 2 turnovers 2 steals and a block on 8 - 18 shooting
enough with the playing so well against elite matchup crap. derrick had a nice scoring night for sure, but he got dominated at the other end of the court and had no impact on his teammates
Rose - 29 pts 2 assists 1 rebound 2 turnovers on 12 - 22 shooting
Curry - 25 pts 11 assists 7 rebounds 2 turnovers 2 steals and a block on 8 - 18 shooting
enough with the playing so well against elite matchup crap. derrick had a nice scoring night for sure, but he got dominated at the other end of the court and had no impact on his teammates
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I think Curry is actually the only matchup he consistently loses lol.
That said, I don't think it's fair to say he had no impact on his teammates. He absolutely did. His teammates were just trash. No one on the team had more than 2 assists...because no one could make a shot except Rose. Given he had about half the team's total offense in the 1st half, it's no wonder he had the stats he does. So yeah, he lost the matchup, but it's not because he didn't show up or was straight clowned by Curry. He lost because his team gave him no backup and Curry's did.
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think about that statement though. so if nobody on the team could make a shot other than rose, then how come nobody on the team had more than 2 assists? you would think somebody would have 4 or 5 just from rose made buckets.....but no that didn't happen because with rose, even when he is playing well....the ball sticks in his hands. thus, teammates don't get involved and engaged into the game. and rose himself only had 1 dime, furthering the lack of involvement. sure, guys missed some shots...but that's going to happen against one of the best defenses in the league. hell that might of been GS's gameplan
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Rose had 2 assists (oh boy!). Remember also that the Hoiberg offense isn't centered around the PG getting a lot of assists either. Not that it really matters for last night's game, but it is a factor in the lower assist numbers. And Rose did get other involved in the game, they just failed time and time again to make any use of those opportunities. So sure, Rose went into "ball hog" mode...because no one was doing anything anyway. Even when they were engaged they did jack squat. We've seen Rose get assists time and time again on pick and pops with Gasol. How many shots did Gasol make? NONE. We've seen him get assists on drive and kicks to open shooters when the defense collapses. Our shooters couldn't hit the ocean. Rose had to iso or pick and roll for pretty much every basket because when his teammates did have the ball, they'd just derp around with it. The only time the team looked like it had an even remote glimpse of life was when Rose was isoing and scoring. I don't think you can hold that against him.
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that's just one game though...rose's assist totals for the season are nothing to write home about at all. that's just not his game. his game is iso ball hog and that isn't going to win you jack at the PG position in the NBA. if you look at any of the true contending teams, they all have PG's who can distribute the basketball despite being top scorers for their teams as well
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Rose is kind of like Tony Parker in terms of assists. He also scores more. Now for SA that works because they move the ball as a team while also having great passers in Manu and Duncan and Diaw and so on.
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as long as the only thing you are comparing the two over is their assists per game totals because parker is light years ahead of rose in terms of running an offense and getting the basketball where it needs to go. he also doesn't turn the ball over like rose does and shoots the ball sooooo much better than derrick could ever dream of
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Well yes, Parker is way more efficient as a shooter. 50+% FG is insane for a guard and he's done that time and time again, a lot of it because he shoots so many of his shots within 5 ft of the basket. His midrange jumper has also been very good though. But again I was just comparing assist totals. As far as turnovers go, when Parker was a more high usage player he turned it over more. Career wise, they're actually not too far off in assist, usage, or turnover rate.
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Rose was up against the best player in the league....really no shame in losing that matchup
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Holding curry to 25 on 8-18 isn't that bad really, especially considering he didn't guard him the entire time. The 11 assists, what can you really do about that, the Warriors can get everyone involved. I don't really consider the rebounding, they're point guards and grab garbage boards usually.
Wouldn't really say he lost that matchup, especially if you watched the game. It was a push if anything, I'd maybe even give Rose the edge considering how abysmal the rest of the team was
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Wouldn't really say he lost that matchup, especially if you watched the game. It was a push if anything, I'd maybe even give Rose the edge considering how abysmal the rest of the team was
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