IGT: Cleveland @ Cubs

[Discus fish salesman]

It is not about who is pitching. It is about who the line up wakes up for.

Hendricks' starts are avg 5.6 runs per game. His highest by a chunk.
Davies 4.7 per game started.
Arrieta 3.0 All time low for him. They are snoozing on him.
Williams 5.6 per game. Makes sense as he was 3-2 with a fat 5.36 ERA
Alozay 3.5 per game.
Mills 2.4 per game in 3 games.

Just saying. This team wakes up when Kyle is on the rubber. Jake they snooze. Alozay seems to line up against staff aces. Tough luck of the draw. Davies gets some love but he was a SS so he knows how to hit. Williams was hitting .308.

It is weird how it happens but some pitchers just get the love. Kyle has been that guy this year.

If I remember right Hendricks never got run support in years past

 

[CSF77]

If I remember right Hendricks never got run support in years past

Ya. I've noticed that the ace gets the love with the hitters. Which ties to this team feeds off emotion vs has consistency.

RS/GS under team starting pitching

2021 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com Hendricks
2020 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com None
2019 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com Lester
2018 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com Lester
2017 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com Lester
2016 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com Arrieta
2015 Chicago Cubs Pitching Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com #5 in general. Multi

 

[knoxville7]

Lol run support is coincidence, not because the team “likes” their ace and wants to score runs for him more than the other starting pitchers. The takes you come up with, I swear. But sure, go on believing they can pick and choose when they score a lot of runs for a pitcher ?

 

[Diehardfan]

Lol run support is coincidence, not because the team “likes” their ace and wants to score runs for him more than the other starting pitchers. The takes you come up with, I swear. But sure, go on believing they can pick and choose when they score a lot of runs for a pitcher ?

Give him a minute.....I'm sure he'll come up with some stupid metric to back his case.

 

[CSF77]

Come on now. Numbers are just numbers and trends tell a story.

My opinion is heavy Latino player base. Play more on emotion. And they get more amped up when the ace is on the mound.

But that is conjecture.

 

[CSF77]

Regardless it is a trend.

2015 pretty even. Jake became the ace.
2016 Jake got the love. Lester takes on ace mantle in the WS.
2017-19 Lester gets the love.
2020 team doesn't hit.
2021 they support Kyle.

So I can take this as the ace gets the love. Be it backing him or he slotts against #5's due to the Cubs being true to a 5 man rotation vs teams skipping the 5 on off days to keep 1-4 on a 5 day rotation.

Like I said conjecture. But it was interesting regardless.

 

[TL1961]

Come on now. Numbers are just numbers and trends tell a story.

My opinion is heavy Latino player base. Play more on emotion. And they get more amped up when the ace is on the mound.

But that is conjecture.

Heavy Latino base plays with more emotion. Wow.
What are the numbers that back that up?

 

[TL1961]

It was nice to see St. Louis drop both games against Detroit.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

It was nice to see St. Louis drop both games against Detroit.

It's nice to see St Louis drop any game really. I've enjoyed their descent in the NL Central

 

[CSF77]

Heavy Latino base plays with more emotion. Wow.
What are the numbers that back that up?

Check 2020. No fans most of baseball forgot to hit.

 

[CSF77]

It's nice to see St Louis drop any game really. I've enjoyed their descent in the NL Central

They lost 2 of their TOR. Brewers are more of a threat because they have a strong rotation.

The Cubs are at 11-10 for the month. All things considered with injury, lack of off days and the O shut down. Then take into account that the majority of the opposition was +500% teams. This team should be far worse.

With Alzolay back and Mills starting the last sprint vs LAD and finishing up against the Brewers at least makes it interesting.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Cubs aren't a contender. Offense is atrocious and starting pitching is mediocre at best

 

[CSF77]

Cubs aren't a contender. Offense has been injured and starting pitching is lacking a high leverage pitcher.

FIFY

 

[CSF77]

BTW we might see Ben Leeper soon. He has dominated AA and AAA hitters.

I don't know where Jed is getting these pen arms from but keep it going.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

FIFY

I'm not willing to trade away prospects for a starting pitcher for a team that really has shown no reason to believe they are a world series contending team. Hopefully Duffy and Hoerner are back soon. They haven't had enough sample size to say if they legitimately make an impact on the lineup over the course of the entire season. And again I'm not willing to sell of prospects because those guys looked good for a few weeks and potentially could again. It'd be different if we hadn't seen the same story 4 years in a row

 

[CSF77]

It is going to get to the point that Jed will have a 10 man pen and 4 starters.

I'm not willing to trade away prospects for a starting pitcher for a team that really has shown no reason to believe they are a world series contending team. Hopefully Duffy and Hoerner are back soon. They haven't had enough sample size to say if they legitimately make an impact on the lineup over the course of the entire season. And again I'm not willing to sell of prospects because those guys looked good for a few weeks and potentially could again

Well Jed has excelled at finding bullpen arms. Leeper should come next and pair with Nance.

It is going to get to the point that outside of Kyle the starter goes 4 then the pen shuts the door.

That is their strength.

Nico should be starting a rehab soon. Duffy is a slower mend. Hammy vs lower back.

The biggest issue IMO is Baez hitting #3. He makes too many outs and is a inning killer. Bat him 8 to get a few pick up RBI.

Now I am not against trading at all. The next 7 games should dictate it. They could go 0-7. That will push buttons. If they go 3-4 and end up 14-14 with Duffy and Hoerner returning I think Jed targets a starter. Maybe a lead off as Joc is better hitting 5.

I still think that Jed should trade Happ. Bryant is a superior CF.

 

[CSF77]

Hoerner 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant CF
Contreras C
Peterson LF
Duffy 3B
Wisdom RF
Baez SS

Heyward in late innings.

It is the best team line up going forward.

 

[knoxville7]

Hoerner 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant CF
Contreras C
Peterson LF
Duffy 3B
Wisdom RF
Baez SS

Heyward in late innings.

It is the best team line up going forward.

probably would be the worst defensive OF in all of baseball

 

[CSF77]

probably would be the worst defensive OF in all of baseball

Not sure that I care. 2019 they gave up on D for O because that gets runs on the board.

I would play for run generation early game. The starter is meh and it is about survival. Late game the pen twists the thumbscrews and that is when you up your D.

But if Wisdom and Heyward are equal at the plate then you push D.

But Castellanos waves high from RF.

 

[CSF77]

Regardless I would rather be tied 4-4 vs behind 4-0 in the 6th.

The Cubs starters have been burnt by the HR. The only answer to that is score.

Watching Happ and Heyward go 0-7 with a walk is not worth any level of D.