TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Ray Lewis?
legendxofxlink
Whistle Dixie
- Joined:
- Apr 25, 2014
- Posts:
- 11,411
- Liked Posts:
- 11,551
- Location:
- Tennessee
My favorite teams
lol, You may be right. It trickled into the next season. Why tf did Pace/Fox keep him on the team ?
legendxofxlink
Whistle Dixie
- Joined:
- Apr 25, 2014
- Posts:
- 11,411
- Liked Posts:
- 11,551
- Location:
- Tennessee
My favorite teams
Good memories..
“Ratliff destroyed the game clock on the practice field, smashing it and kicking it. Later, he shoved an assistant coach to the ground. While all of this went on, Trestman never intervened. He just stood off to the side and watched.
And this is the most incredible part. The uber-enabling part. Not only was Ratliff never punished by Trestman ... he was named one of the captains the next day. The entire locker room was incredulous.
Trestman justified making Ratliff a captain by saying he brought intensity, but no player bought that.”
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
No I am saying not all moral conditions are the same and it is fair game if the McCaskeys use death to distinguish between various moral conditions. Has nothing to do with me as I had no involvement in the decision to draft Wright over Carter.
Also not sure what you mean by if death is the only condition as if death is just some trivial minor occurence. I would think death is a pretty fucking huge distinguishing factor.
Finally I dont think terrible decisions made in the past should bind the McCaskeys or Poles to make terrible decisions now or in the future. Especially decisons made by previous failed GM regimes.
Last edited:
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
When did Ray Lewis play for the Bears? Do you need directions to the Ravens website?
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Lewis obviously couldn't have played for the Bears...he didn't pass the strict McCaskey 'moral condition' of not killing people. Duh.
Maybe McCaskey is like Tom Cruise in Minority Report....like he didn't want OJ Simpson because he somehow knew what would happen.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
Correct.
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
It has everything to do with you because you are saying that is the reason why the Bears didn't draft Carter....because he killed two people. Now you are saying you had no involvement in the decision to draft Wright over Carter. Which is it?
Not sure what you are not sure about me meaning that death is the only condition. It is the only condition you keep talking about in regards to Carter. I don't know why/how you infer that to mean that I am treating death as something trivial....the two aren't connected.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding terrible decisions binding the McCaskeys...but if they did make a terrible decision regarding Jalen Carter, would you say that frees them to draft the next All-Pro DT who kills people in future drafts? Or would you still be against that?
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
I am simply telling you why they passed on him. The decision to pass on him has nothing to do with me.
The bold is trivializing it. I think death is a pretty good condition to hang your hat on because it is irreversible. I also think it bears no comparison to the moral conditions other Bears players had and to compare being involved in 2 people's deaths to what those other players did is asinine.
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Cool, so you know that the Bears passed on Carter because Carter killed two people. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
And its not trivializing "IT", as you so eloquently stated, it's trivializing the McCaskeys alleged 'moral standards (plural)'. Their moral standards seem to be like pretty much every NFL team's....nebulous.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
"I will say that our culture is important," Poles said. "I'll say that we know where our roster is right now and what it can handle, what it can't handle. I think that's part of being intelligent in this space is knowing your locker room and where it's at.
I'm happy we made the decision that we made. Specifically, on Jalen, I think he went to a fantastic place that has ... their cement dry in their foundation."
Thinnk anyone with a functioning brain can read between the lines above.
I do not think it is nebulous at all to draw the line at death. That seems like a pretty clear line to me.
And before you mention it, his being wrong about the culture being able to handle Davis or Claypool doesnt mean it could handle Carter. Their culture issues were fairly minor compared to Carter's and they failed miserably.
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Wow, I didn't read the part where Poles says "We passed on Jalen Carter because he killed two people". Can you post that quote as well?
I guess its amazing that Carter is still in the NFL, and in fact playing in the Super Bowl (unless he gets thrown in jail for killing those two people), while the 'fairly minor' culture issue guys of Nate Davis and Chase Claypool are both entirely out of the NFL. Incredible turn of events!
Mighty Joe Young
Living in Troll's Heads Rent-Free for Decades
- Joined:
- Feb 8, 2021
- Posts:
- 11,940
- Liked Posts:
- 10,003
My favorite teams
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
So you are confirming you dont have a functioning brain. Got it.
Carter is still in the NFL because different teams have different tolerence levels for this stuff. You are free to root for one of those other teams.
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Now I'm really confused, because I'm still not seeing the quote of Poles saying the Bears didn't want Carter because he killed two people. Are you now switching your story, or at least admitting that Poles never said such a thing?
And now I am supposed to believe that none of the 32 NFL teams, including the Eagles, would 'tolerate' the 'minor culture issues' of Claypool and Davis....yet the Eagles apparently have no problem harboring a person that committed a double homicide? I guess I'm not seeing any logical connection between what you have been saying and what has happened in the real world. This isn't the first time (nor the last, I'm afraid), but I guess it's weird that would also say that I am "free to root for one of those other teams"....like any of the 32 NFL teams? Or do the Bears hold their players to a higher moral standard than any of the other 31 teams?
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
If your reading comprehension hasn't developed to the extent you understand what reading between the lines means then I don't have the bandwidth to trach you at this stage. We can just chalk it up to you being obtuse and move on.
What happened in the real world is the Bears traded Claypool to the Dolphins so it is factually inaccurate to say no other team was willing to put up with his culture issues. I think it is also obvious that some teams are willing to put up with more especially if said player is talented. I would encourage you to watch more football and gather the facts before commenting.
TheEarlofRobin
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Sep 23, 2024
- Posts:
- 1,623
- Liked Posts:
- 759
Still very confused. If we 'read between the lines' to end up at your interpretation of events, then we have to conclude that the Eagles had the foundation to harbor someone who committed a double homicide, while the Bears roster RIGHT NOW cannot harbor such a criminal. But that's not to say that the Bears would be able to harbor a criminal once it's roster has a stronger foundation, no? Or am I not 'reading between the lines' correctly once again?
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 63,747
- Liked Posts:
- 40,713
Agreed. You are still very confused. Think we just need to accept that is a perpetual state for you.
TL1961
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Apr 24, 2013
- Posts:
- 35,146
- Liked Posts:
- 19,216
Weeks later, this vortex is still vortexin'!
Un-fucking-real. Yet not shocking.
Un-fucking-real. Yet not shocking.
cwcwcwcw1
Active member
- Joined:
- Feb 3, 2023
- Posts:
- 208
- Liked Posts:
- 150
My favorite teams
I'm so confused.
With all these straw man restatements of the other persons positions I'm not sure who is claiming what anymore.
Yet I keep clicking on this post so that it's no longer bold and doesn't catch my eye as I scroll down the main page looking for unread posts.
It's like periodically checking to see if you can close the window yet or if the bathroom still needs to air out.