IGT: Wizards vs BULLS Tuesday Mar 3 @ 7pm on CSN

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

clonetrooper264 said:
In reality, Snell would get his pocket pick by Wall way too many times for it to be worth it. He doesn't have great handles. McDermott at SG kinda leaves him out to dry against Beal. I suppose you could cross match again and stick Dunleavy on Beal and McDermott on Pierce, but I think Pierce would go to town on him, even if McDermott guards against players like him better. Who knows though? I'd be willing to experiment only because I don't think we'll do very well conventionally anyway.

Anybody want to get thankbanged, just disagree with me. :smh:

I wasn't talking so much about this game... I originally thought McD might fit at SG on certain matchups with Rose at PG. I've been a big proponent at McD playing with the starters as I think they would find McD for open 3's much better.

McD would be less of a liability with a btter lineup, imo. I've noticed when he does get into a game, let's say with Brooks on the point and Dunn?Snell on one side...McD will hang on the other side. Brooks and Noah never pass the ball to McD if you notice.

Brooks will dribble to whatever side McD id not on. Watch next time if he gets in. The players don't trust McD either, which is partly why McD runs around wildly at times. In the future, there will be set plays to drive and kick to McD, but it's definitely not happening now, with the little time I've seen him play.

clonetrooper264 · Mar 3, 2015

Bear Pride said:
Anybody want to get thankbanged, just disagree with me. :smh:

I wasn't talking so much about this game... I originally thought McD might fit at SG on certain matchups with Rose at PG. I've been a big proponent at McD playing with the starters as I think they would find McD for open 3's much better.

McD would be less of a liability with a btter lineup, imo. I've noticed when he does get into a game, let's say with Brooks on the point and Dunn?Snell on one side...McD will hang on the other side. Brooks and Noah never pass the ball to McD if you notice.

Brooks will dribble to whatever side McD id not on. Watch next time if he gets in. The players don't trust McD either, which is partly why McD runs around wildly at times. In the future, there will be set plays to drive and kick to McD, but it's definitely not happening now, with the little time I've seen him play.

lol well I thought you were talking about this game (this is the IGT after all) so my apologies if you think I'm just arguing against you.

I think when we look at the sample size from early in the season of McDermott playing with the starters, we'll see that he had better games. I too was advocating this at the beginning of the year. The shot quality would increase dramatically working off of Gasol, Rose, and Butler instead of Brooks, Taj, and Butler/Niko. That's just a natural thing as he's the 4th option at that point instead of the 1st or 2nd option like he was being used near the beginning of the year. That said, they could've done more than just running that single double screen play every single time. Everyone in the stadium knows what that play is. Use him in the post, do some stuff that Atlanta does with Korver. That'll help him out.

That said, I do think McDermott did a little to play himself out of the rotation. He was getting double digit minutes and not producing offensively. If he made more shots, I think Thibs would've given him a little more room to fail on defense. That's kinda what Niko did.

knoxville7 · Mar 3, 2015

clonetrooper264 said:
lol well I thought you were talking about this game (this is the IGT after all) so my apologies if you think I'm just arguing against you.

I think when we look at the sample size from early in the season of McDermott playing with the starters, we'll see that he had better games. I too was advocating this at the beginning of the year. The shot quality would increase dramatically working off of Gasol, Rose, and Butler instead of Brooks, Taj, and Butler/Niko. That's just a natural thing as he's the 4th option at that point instead of the 1st or 2nd option like he was being used near the beginning of the year. That said, they could've done more than just running that single double screen play every single time. Everyone in the stadium knows what that play is. Use him in the post, do some stuff that Atlanta does with Korver. That'll help him out.

That said, I do think McDermott did a little to play himself out of the rotation. He was getting double digit minutes and not producing offensively. If he made more shots, I think Thibs would've given him a little more room to fail on defense. That's kinda what Niko did.

yeah but of course right now theres no rose or butler to put mcd in to play off of lol

clonetrooper264 · Mar 3, 2015

knoxville7 said:
yeah but of course right now theres no rose or butler to put mcd in to play off of lol

Well yes, but he wanted to talk outside of just this game, so I tried to accommodate lol

knoxville7 · Mar 3, 2015

clonetrooper264 said:
Well yes, but he wanted to talk outside of just this game, so I tried to accommodate lol

haha I feel ya. I was thinking in the realm of this current season. not going to be much if any opportunity to play out that scenario pre playoffs

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

clonetrooper264 said:
lol well I thought you were talking about this game (this is the IGT after all) so my apologies if you think I'm just arguing against you.

I think when we look at the sample size from early in the season of McDermott playing with the starters, we'll see that he had better games. I too was advocating this at the beginning of the year. The shot quality would increase dramatically working off of Gasol, Rose, and Butler instead of Brooks, Taj, and Butler/Niko. That's just a natural thing as he's the 4th option at that point instead of the 1st or 2nd option like he was being used near the beginning of the year. That said, they could've done more than just running that single double screen play every single time. Everyone in the stadium knows what that play is. Use him in the post, do some stuff that Atlanta does with Korver. That'll help him out.

That said, I do think McDermott did a little to play himself out of the rotation. He was getting double digit minutes and not producing offensively. If he made more shots, I think Thibs would've given him a little more room to fail on defense. That's kinda what Niko did.

I was kinda generalizing at that point. You and I have agreed that McD needs to be used differently. This is why I get so frustrated with Thib's. Heck, he even used Korver the wrong way. Had he used Korver correctly, he might still be here. I don't see ATL worrying about Korver's defense so much.

All Korver does for ATL, for the most part, is try to find open spots at the 3 pt line. Ironically, Kirk does the same thing now, especially when Thib's plays Brooks and Kirk together. Yuck!

I do think McD posts better than people think like you say, which is partly why I've wondered about him at SG on certain matchups. I can't agree with you on the McD getting double digit minutes however. The most he averaged from what I remember was 12, still not a lot. And keep in mind, he's only taken 27 3 pt attempts all year. Not a lot.

knoxville7 · Mar 3, 2015

korver early in his career struggled defensively too and has since gotten much better. so there is hope that mcd can do the same...problem is its going to take time. maybe next season he will show improvement in that area

MassHavoc · Mar 3, 2015

I just hope the bulls can make a dead before the trade deadline to shore up... ::receives PMs pointing out stupidity:: wait... it was when... shit. Season over.

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

Referees for tonights game

Here's the ref's for the game tonight if anyone is interested:

Tom Washington - Profile

General
Jersey Number	49	Avg. Home Score	101.2
Games Officiated	51	Avg. Road Score	101.0
Home Team ATS	24-27-0	Home Avg. Margin	.2
Home Team W/L	26-25	Avg. Total Score	202.3

Tre Maddox - Profile

General
Jersey Number	73	Avg. Home Score	100.4
Games Officiated	43	Avg. Road Score	97.3
Home Team ATS	22-19-2	Home Avg. Margin	3.0
Home Team W/L	24-19	Avg. Total Score	197.7

Courtney Kirkland - Profile

General
Jersey Number	61	Avg. Home Score	100.9
Games Officiated	41	Avg. Road Score	99.5
Home Team ATS	20-20-1	Home Avg. Margin	1.5
Home Team W/L	22-19	Avg. Total Score	200.4

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

And if you're a betting man:

Tue, Mar 3 - United Center
TIP OFF - 8:00 PM ET

	W/L	ATS	Home	Away	O/U
Washington	34-26	23-36-1	21-10	13-16	25-33-2
Chicago	37-23	27-33-0	18-13	19-10	27-32-1

54 %

vs

46 %

	PUBLIC	EXPERT
Washington Spread	54 % ( 395 - 334 )	63 % ( 5 - 3 )
Chicago Spread	46 % ( 334 - 395 )	38 % ( 3 - 5 )
Over	43 % ( 218 - 284 )	25 % ( 2 - 6 )
Under	57 % ( 284 - 218 )	75 % ( 6 - 2 )

ATS Records Overall

Team	Overall	Home	Away	Day	Night	Div.	Conf.
WAS	23-36-1	13-18-0	10-18-1	2-3-1	21-33-0	3-9-0	16-23-0
CHI	27-33-0	12-19-0	15-14-0	2-2-0	25-31-0	5-5-0	15-19-0

As Favorite or Underdog

	WAS	CHI
Line	F	D	F	D
1 - 2.5	2-4	3-2	3-2	3-4
3 - 3.5	2-3	2-1	3-1	0-3
4 - 4.5	4-3	0-2	2-2	0-2
5 - 5.5	1-3	2-4	3-1	1-0
6 - 6.5	1-2	0-2	1-2	2-0
7 - 7.5	0-1	0-1	2-2	2-0
8 - 8.5	1-2	0-0	0-1	0-1
9 - 9.5	2-4	0-0	1-3	0-0
10 - 10.5	1-0	0-0	0-6	0-0
11 - 13.5	1-1	0-0	3-3	1-0
14+	1-1	0-0	0-0	0-0

Over/Under

Team	Overall	Home	Away	Day	Night	Div.	Conf.
WAS	25-33	13-17	12-16	2-3	23-30	7-5	17-21
CHI	27-32	18-13	9-19	1-3	26-29	4-6	15-18

As Favorite or Underdog

	WAS	CHI
Line	F	D	F	D
< 2.5	1-4	1-4	3-2	2-5
3 - 3.5	4-1	2-1	3-1	1-2
4 - 4.5	3-3	1-1	2-1	1-1
5 - 5.5	1-3	3-3	2-2	0-1
6 - 6.5	2-1	1-1	0-3	1-1
7 - 7.5	0-1	1-1	0-4	0-2
8 - 8.5	0-3	0-0	1-0	0-1
9 - 9.5	3-3	0-0	4-0	0-0
10 - 10.5	0-1	0-0	4-2	0-0
11 - 13.5	1-1	0-0	2-4	1-0
14+	1-1	0-0	0-0	0-0

RECENT TRENDS

Washington	Under is 4-0 in Wizards last 4 games following a S.U. win. Under is 4-0-1 in Wizards last 5 road games. Over is 4-0 in Wizards last 4 games playing on 2 days rest.
Chicago	Under is 4-0 in Bulls last 4 overall. Under is 4-0 in Bulls last 4 home games. Under is 4-0 in Bulls last 4 games playing on 1 days rest.
Head to Head	Over is 5-1 in the last 6 meetings in Chicago. Wizards are 13-3 ATS in the last 16 meetings in Chicago. Wizards are 4-1 ATS in the last 5 meetings.

Side/Total

	Home	O/U
	+1	-110	187
OFFSHORE ODDS	Home	O/U
CarbonSports.ag	+1.5	-110	187
Sportsbook.ag	+1.5	-110	187
5Dimes	+1	-105	187.5
GTbets.eu	+1	-110	187.5
Top Bet	+1	-110	187
BetOnline.ag	+1	-105	187.5
BetDSI	pk	-110	187.5
AllYouBet.ag	+1.5	-110	187
BetDNA.com	+1	-114	187
Superbook.ag	+1.5	-110	187
BookMaker	pk	-110	187.5
VEGAS ODDS	Home	O/U
Westgate Las Vegas Superbook	+1	-110	187
Station	+1.5	-110	187
Mirage	+1.5	-110	186.5
EXCHANGE ODDS	Home	O/U

ML/Total

	H	A	O/U
	100	-125	187
OFFSHORE ODDS	H	A	O/U
CarbonSports.ag	100	-120	187
Sportsbook.ag	100	-120	187
5Dimes	103	-113	187.5
GTbets.eu	-110	-110	187.5
Top Bet	105	-125	187
BetOnline.ag	100	-120	187.5
BetDSI	-105	-115	187.5
AllYouBet.ag	100	-120	187
BetDNA.com	-109	-119	187
Superbook.ag	100	-120	187
BookMaker	-105	-115	187.5
VEGAS ODDS	H	A	O/U
Westgate Las Vegas Superbook	100	-120	187
Station	-105	-115	187
Mirage	OFF	OFF	186.5
EXCHANGE ODDS	H	A	O/U

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

Injury report for tonight's game:

Washington
P	Player	Status	Notes	W/L	O/U
F	K. Humphries	Out Tues Hamstring 03/03/15	Humphries has missed the last two games with a strained left hamstring and will not return Tuesday against the Bulls.	1-2 $+0	0-3

Chicago
P	Player	Status	Notes	W/L	O/U
F	T. Gibson	Mid March Ankle 03/03/15	Gibson is expected to miss about a week with an ankle injury.	0-1 $+0	0-1
G	J. Butler	Early April Elbow 03/02/15	Butler could miss a month of action with a sprained elbow.	0-1 $+0	0-1
G	D. Rose	Mid April Knee 02/27/15	Rose had surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his right knee. He is expected to miss four-to-six weeks.

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

If you're a statistics guy:

Overall	Washington	NBA Avg.	Chicago
	Offense	Defense		Offense	Defense
Points 1st Quarter 2nd Quarter 3rd Quarter 4th Quarter	98.7 25.9 24.0 24.1 23.6	98.0 24.3 23.7 23.8 25.1	99.8 24.9 24.9 24.8 24.5	101.2 24.2 24.8 25.3 25.9	98.5 24.3 25.1 24.0 23.9
Avg Margin	0.7		2.7
FG% FGM FGA	46.6 38.4 82.4	43.8 36.2 82.6	44.8 37.4 83.5	44.0 36.7 83.4	44.1 38.4 87.1
3P% 3PM 3PA	36.1 5.9 16.3	35.1 7.8 22.3	34.8 7.8 22.4	35.7 7.7 21.6	32.9 6.0 18.3
FT% FTM FTA	74.5 15.9 21.4	74.7 17.9 23.9	75.3 17.3 22.9	78.4 20.2 25.7	74.4 15.6 21.0
Rebounds Offensive Defensive	44.1 10.6 33.6	41.0 9.6 31.4	43.3 10.9 32.4	46.0 12.3 33.7	43.4 11.8 31.6
Assist : TO Assists TO Points off TO	1.66 24.2 14.6 0.0	1.44 19.2 13.4 0.0	1.59 21.9 13.8 0.0	1.63 21.6 13.3 0.0	1.78 21.0 11.8 0.0
Starter Points % points % minutes Starting 5 avg min.	64.8 65.6 61.9 29.3	63.5 64.7 61.5 29.2	66.2 66.3 62.9 29.8	70.3 69.4 67.7 32.2	69.3 70.3 65.0 30.9
Bench Points % points % minutes	34.0 34.4 38.1	34.6 35.3 38.5	33.7 33.7 37.1	31.0 30.6 32.3	29.3 29.7 35.0
Steals	7.3	8.2	7.7	6.2	7.5
% 3PA to FGA	19.8%	27.0%	26.8%	25.9%	21.0%
Blocks	4.6	4.2	4.8	6.3	5.3

WAS	Edge in:	CHI

	Points/Game
	Field Goal %
	Free Throw %
	Defense
	Rebounding
	Turnovers
	Bench

Rank	Team	Power Rating
14		-6.5
11		-8.5

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

Bear Pride's key player of the game:

Doug McDermott | Forward/SG

Team:	Chicago Bulls
Age / DOB:	(23) / 1/3/1992
Ht / Wt:	6'8' / 225
College:	Creighton
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clonetrooper264 · Mar 3, 2015

Bear Pride said:
I can't agree with you on the McD getting double digit minutes however. The most he averaged from what I remember was 12, still not a lot. And keep in mind, he's only taken 27 3 pt attempts all year. Not a lot.

You can't agree? Then I will have to prove it to you. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcderdo01/gamelog/2015/

Perhaps that does average out to about 12 minutes by the end, but he was getting consistent double digit minutes for the most part (10 out of first 13 games, 11 out of first 17).

I agree that 27 3s is a small sample size and that he can do better than he showed, but at the same time, he just wasn't doing well at that point.

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

clonetrooper264 said:
You can't agree? Then I will have to prove it to you. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcderdo01/gamelog/2015/

Perhaps that does average out to about 12 minutes by the end, but he was getting consistent double digit minutes for the most part (10 out of first 13 games, 11 out of first 17).

I agree that 27 3s is a small sample size and that he can do better than he showed, but at the same time, he just wasn't doing well at that point.

OK, let's look at the stats and make a couple points:

1 - He played more than 12 minutes in 6 of 24 games
2 - the most he played was 24.18 minutes. He scored 12 pts, shot 55% from 2, shot 40% from 3 with 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal.
3 - He was inactive after game 17 only to disappear after that
4 - Game 6 he play 17 minutes, scored 8 pts, went 3-4 from 2, and went 2-3 from 3.
5 - It appears to me, that against Portland, in a 18 point loss, his 2nd highest minute total of 21 minutes, McD went 3-10 from the field, and Thib's gave up on him to me.

Doesn't seem like he did too much wrong to me numbers wise. But my point still remains, he hasn't got a lot of minutes or playing experience after that 13th game against Portland where he was 3-10 to me.

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G

Opp

MP

FG

FGA

FG%

3P

3PA

3P%

TRB

AST

STL

BLK

TOV

PF

PTS

1

NYK

W

24:18

5

9

0.556

2

5

0.4

5

2

1

0

1

2

12

2

CLE

L

16:54

0

3

0

3

0

1

0

1

0

3

MIN

W

11:23

1

4

0.25

0

2

0

1

0

2

4

ORL

W

11:39

4

6

0.667

1

2

0.5

1

0

12

5

MIL

W

6:54

0

2

0

2

0

6

PHI

W

17:08

3

4

0.75

2

3

0.667

1

0

2

1

8

7

BOS

L

15:06

3

4

0.75

0

3

0

1

6

8

DET

W

5:22

0

1

0

1

0

1

0

9

TOR

W

5:05

0

1

0

1

0

1

0

2

0

10

IND

L

13:50

3

4

0.75

1

0

1

0

3

1

7

11

LAC

W

10:13

0

2

0

2

0

2

0

1

0

12

SAC

L

12:02

0

1

0

1

0

1

0

1

0

1

13

POR

L

21:04

3

10

0.3

0

4

0

7

0

1

0

2

1

6

14

UTA

W

7:36

0

1

0

1

0

2

0

2

1

0

15

DEN

L

10:42

0

1

0

1

0

16

BOS

W

2:03

0

1

17

BRK

W

6:21

0

1

0

DAL

L

Inactive

CHO

W

Inactive

GSW

L

Inactive

G

Opp

MP

FG

FGA

FG%

3P

3PA

3P%

TRB

AST

STL

BLK

TOV

PF

PTS

BRK

W

Inactive

POR

W

Inactive

MIA

W

Inactive

ATL

L

Inactive

NYK

W

Inactive

MEM

W

Inactive

TOR

W

Inactive

WAS

W

Inactive

LAL

W

Inactive

NOP

W

Inactive

IND

W

Inactive

BRK

L

Inactive

DEN

W

Inactive

BOS

W

Inactive

HOU

W

Inactive

UTA

L

Inactive

WAS

L

Inactive

MIL

W

Inactive

ORL

L

Inactive

WAS

L

Inactive

G

Opp

MP

FG

FGA

FG%

3P

3PA

3P%

TRB

AST

STL

BLK

TOV

PF

PTS

BOS

W

Inactive

ATL

L

Inactive

CLE

L

Did Not Play

18

SAS

W

2:13

0

DAL

W

Did Not Play

MIA

L

Did Not Play

GSW

W

Did Not Play

19

LAL

L

0:05

0

PHO

L

Did Not Play

HOU

L

Did Not Play

20

NOP

W

4:13

3

1

0

9

ORL

W

Did Not Play

21

SAC

W

1:06

1

2

0.5

0

1

0

3

22

CLE

W

1:03

0

1

0

1

0

DET

L

Did Not Play

PHO

W

Did Not Play

23

MIL

W

1:36

0

1

0

CHO

L

Did Not Play

24

MIN

W

2:51

0

LAC

L

Did Not Play

Bear Pride · Mar 3, 2015

Good start for the Bulls. really like that Dunn is coming out strong, he's had a couple rough games.

Diddy1122 · Mar 3, 2015

Bear Pride said:
OK, let's look at the stats and make a couple points:

1 - He played more than 12 minutes in 6 of 24 games
2 - the most he played was 24.18 minutes. He scored 12 pts, shot 55% from 2, shot 40% from 3 with 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal.
3 - He was inactive after game 17 only to disappear after that
4 - Game 6 he play 17 minutes, scored 8 pts, went 3-4 from 2, and went 2-3 from 3.
5 - It appears to me, that against Portland, in a 18 point loss, his 2nd highest minute total of 21 minutes, McD went 3-10 from the field, and Thib's gave up on him to me.

Doesn't seem like he did too much wrong to me numbers wise. But my point still remains, he hasn't got a lot of minutes or playing experience after that 13th game against Portland where he was 3-10 to me.

You can throw out all the stats you want to support your point, but I'll use my own two eyes to support my mine. Watching the games, it was apparent that McDermott was not ready to be a consistent contributor in the NBA. He was over thinking on both sides of the ball. His defense was atrocious. He was woefully out of position every time and committed dumb fouls consistently. He was rushing shots. He wasn't using pump fakes or footwork to gain space. Plain and simple, he wasn't very good on either side. Snell had already proven, in the little time Thibs played him up to that point, that his defense (vastly improved from last season) could be trusted to not hurt the team while on the court.

Crystallas · Mar 3, 2015

Just a FYI, Tables require more resources to render than plain text. A lot of tables will make it impossible for some people on mobile devices to open the threads.

Gustavus Adolphus · Mar 3, 2015

He looks lost on defense.

maestro · Mar 3, 2015

My feed is blurry. Is that Doug in the game?

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