I'm expecting a fast start next year to the offense thanks to BJ

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until the team actually does something or actually produces, you should not expect that of them. It’s weird

I mean, not really though.

Having expectations is all part of being a fan. If you follow a team just to be miserable all the time and always expect the worst to the point where you enjoy misery and spreading misery, now THAT is wierd... or you are just a White Sox fan...
 

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until the team actually does something or actually produces, you should not expect that of them. It’s weird
Imagine thinking that because a playcaller is elite that he will produce immediate elite results going from one of the leagues best OL to one of the worst, because he won the presser lol

Now imagine making a whole new thread with a 1000 word essay to let the fans know they are dumb for not expecting a tremendous turnaround
 

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Imagine thinking that because a playcaller is elite that he will produce immediate elite results going from one of the leagues best OL to one of the worst, because he won the presser lol

Now imagine making a whole new thread with a 1000 word essay to let the fans know they are dumb for not expecting a tremendous turnaround
Imagine wasting time writing out an essay for free that no one will read
 

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So far I'm cautiously optimistic in that they seem to be making good decisions. However between now and the upcoming season there are multiple land mines to navigate. Number one being how they handle to O line.
 

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Yes, I know, winning a press conference doesn't mean shit.

But its more about the details that Ben shared, combined with learning more about what kind of coach he is and his success as a play caller with the Lions.


Point I am getting at?


Cliff notes is look at Kliff Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels.



To expound on that, Kliff was able to get Jayden off to a fast start because not only did he cut the field in half for his QB (something that won't be necessary for Caleb at this point), he took a lot of the plays Jayden liked from college and put them in the play book (with the obvious upgrades to NFL level of course). A decent portion of the Commanders' offensive playbook comes from what Jayden ran in college. That's because he wanted Jayden to play fast and not have to think as much on the line.


Ben basically confirmed he is going to do the same thing with Caleb. They are going to get on the same page, and while Caleb is learning how to see the game through Ben's eyes, Ben is also going to make notes on what Caleb likes to do and put that into the playbook. And if he is doing that with Caleb, you best believe he is also going to be doing the same thing with Kmet, Moore, and Rome, asking what routes they like and what they are good at, reviewing tape, etc.

Seems like this would be common sense, right? Well, not all OCs do it this way. In fact, MOST DON'T. Most OCs learn a system, and try to get players to fit that system. It takes a novel understanding off offense and why certain things are done to be able to engineer an offense from the ground up. And Ben showed with the Lions, he has that and gets it.

What this means is when we finally get to the games, you will have a very comfortable Caleb Williams (provided the line gets addressed), and receivers and a tight end that are energized to play hard because they know all their favorite plays are in the playbook, which keeps them engaged.

Doesn't mean the players will drive the complete playbook. But I guarantee you - their favorite things to do on the field will be the backbone that Ben will build out from. And because of the buy in from including that, he will have buy in for those players to also run other plays, as everyone waits their turn for their play to eventually be dialed up.

There will always be some hiccups when installing a new offense. But I expect this one to hit the ground running like they did in Washington this past year.

Get excited.
Newish QB. New offense. New coaches. New position coaches. It remains to be seen what they do as far as upgrading the offensive line, but whatever they do, the group on the field that most needs to have continuity could have 3-4 new starters. While I hope you're right, it's going to be tough.
 

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Caleb is a lot different from Jayden Daniels though. Waldron, Brown, and whomever was the third OC didn’t have to cut his field in half this past year to make him effective or throw for 3500+ yards.

Some QBs, especially Mitch and Justin as we’ve seen over the past 5-7 years needed it, because it can be an effective tool to get a college guy who isn’t up to game speed yet. It’s also a double edged sword, because smart DCs know what side of the field gets cut in half and will bracket it, which was the downfall of Mitch. Wide open guy or single coverage on the half of the field he’s not looking, 4 dbs/lbs around 2-3 WRs on the other half. Jayden has made a few bad plays this year when that happened.

And no offense to Jayden Daniels (all the offense in the world to the idiots who see one year and say Caleb isn’t better) but Caleb went #1 overall for a reason. He doesn’t need the field cut in half to learn to adjust to this league. Yeah, sometimes hero ball doesn’t work out—and sometimes he holds the ball too long, and sometimes he ate a sack when he didn’t need to. Ideally you want Ben to fix that schematically where 2-3 WRs don’t end up standing around in the same spot at the end of a route and Poles to fix the OL he’s either half assed or ignored since he got here.

I particularly liked when Johnson talked to Florio on nbc yesterday, because he expanded on his ‘tear it down to the studs and build it up.’ It wasn’t bland, vague corporate coach speak with the same corporate, fake buzzwords we seemingly hear from Georgie every year things go wrong.

He wants to sit down with Caleb for a few days, find out what he likes, what works, what doesn’t and what to incorporate that into a playbook they build together as opposed to dropping a playbook on him and saying ‘learn it.’ Johnson said it worked wonders for Goff and he learned a lot.

It’s different, by no means is it guaranteeing success, but after the last offensive “guru” who didn’t have a playbook, he was the guy who held Andy Reid’s sandwich while he called plays—something about Johnson feels much different. I’ll give him that benefit of the doubt.
 

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Yes, I know, winning a press conference doesn't mean shit.

But its more about the details that Ben shared, combined with learning more about what kind of coach he is and his success as a play caller with the Lions.

Get excited.
I am and will continue to get excited, but I expect the offense to be inconsistent, at first, at least. There will be fits and starts throughout as BJ gets things installed and adapts along with his players and staff.

In the end, I agree with alot of what you suggest he will do, but not so certain he's going to keep it that simple.
 

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No. Its a Bears Forum - where anyone can post Bears thoughts. Hence the point of a FORUM.

Here's one. If you see a link on the forum from me, DON'T CLICK IT. You are not being forced to read my posts with a gun to your head.
I’d say 99% who have responded did not read your readers digest article. We simply scrolled down quickly
 

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Caleb is a lot different from Jayden Daniels though. Waldron, Brown, and whomever was the third OC didn’t have to cut his field in half this past year to make him effective or throw for 3500+ yards.

Some QBs, especially Mitch and Justin as we’ve seen over the past 5-7 years needed it, because it can be an effective tool to get a college guy who isn’t up to game speed yet. It’s also a double edged sword, because smart DCs know what side of the field gets cut in half and will bracket it, which was the downfall of Mitch. Wide open guy or single coverage on the half of the field he’s not looking, 4 dbs/lbs around 2-3 WRs on the other half. Jayden has made a few bad plays this year when that happened.

And no offense to Jayden Daniels (all the offense in the world to the idiots who see one year and say Caleb isn’t better) but Caleb went #1 overall for a reason.
Count me as an idiot who values on-field production moreso than where someone went in the college draft. Caleb isn't better than Jayden Daniels. Can that change in the future? Of course. But its not like nit picking that Bo Nix is better than Caleb....Jayden is having one of the best rookie seasons in the history of the NFL.

Furthermore, the analogy to Mitch and Justin is ludicrous. Jayden Daniels is already much better than either of those guys were. Mitch and Justin had dumbed down offenses just to get their level of play to 'acceptable'....Daniels has been exceling in his alleged 'dumbed down' offense. I guess your point is that Jayden hasn't faced a smart DC yet this year. This is just wishful thinking not based on anything seen in reality.
 

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In terms of getting things buttoned down, sure.

But look at the Commanders and what they did year one of an offense.

Expect a similar type of year with the Bears.

But, but, these are the Bears where the offense is offensive to watch regardless of the play caller and OC. I also have zero faith in Poles assembling an above average NFL caliber OL. The poor OL will surely hamper BJ as a play caller. By the end of the first year, BJ will be wondering what the **** he signed up for because - Bears.
 

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I am and will continue to get excited, but I expect the offense to be inconsistent, at first, at least. There will be fits and starts throughout as BJ gets things installed and adapts along with his players and staff.

In the end, I agree with alot of what you suggest he will do, but not so certain he's going to keep it that simple.

He was able to get the offense installed in Detroit and it went smoothly. I do expect the inconsistency, but because of the volume of plays this offense will generate, I expect it to be somewhat offset by that in terms of overall success. That, and if the playbook is filled with everyone's favorite plays, that shortens the learning curve.

There's also the possibility that a chameleon like Ben will adopt the same terminology that was used by Waldron - not having to "relearn a new language" will speed things up SIGNIFICANTLY. Ben can keep the terms but change the plays. He's smart enough to adapt like that.
 

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But, but, these are the Bears where the offense is offensive to watch regardless of the play caller and OC. I also have zero faith in Poles assembling an above average NFL caliber OL. The poor OL will surely hamper BJ as a play caller. By the end of the first year, BJ will be wondering what the **** he signed up for because - Bears.

lol - everything is contingent on them successfully upgrading the offensive line.

If they don't have a line, BJ could be the next Bill Walsh or Don Coryell and he will fail.
 

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I read that as "I am expecting falsestarts on offense next year" the truest thing ever
 

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I sort of agree with the OP. If the Bears’ offense isn’t markedly better - game one - then BJ didnt do his job. If their offense is as bad as last year, something is wrong. This assumes the o-line is competently addressed in the off season. They don’t need to lead the league but they need to be better fast.
 

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