In Retrospect: Was the tear down really necessary?

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Johnson isnt what he demands others to be. He is part of the problem.
Yeah? Who is better than Johnson? You're so desperate to defend this shit show of a team and you're going after the only guy holding anyone accountable.

Why are you trying to defend anything and not realizing that Johnson is the only one holding anyone to a standard.
 

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Yeah? Who is better than Johnson? You're so desperate to defend this shit show of a team and you're going after the only guy holding anyone accountable.

Why are you trying to defend anything and not realizing that Johnson is the only one holding anyone to a standard.
Where was he defending...anything? You're particularly bitter and paranoid (and obese) this morning. Too much traffic on the bus route?
 

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The tear down should have happened a year earlier, but the Bears fucked that up by bringing Nagy and Pace back as lame ducks. The consequences of that decision then had a direct effect on the development of Justin Fields, who was going into a pivotal 2nd year.

Poles exacerbated the issue even further by doing nothing in the draft or free agency on the offensive side of the ball and left Fields with a horrible OL, Mooney, and a couple of practice squad-caliber receivers. Also, trading two of your defensive captains in back to back weeks immediately after getting your best win of the season couldn't have come at a worse time. Letting Quinn go was the right move, but I vehemently opposed trading Roquan.
 

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The tear down should have happened a year earlier, but the Bears fucked that up by bringing Nagy and Pace back as lame ducks. The consequences of that decision then had a direct effect on the development of Justin Fields, who was going into a pivotal 2nd year.

Poles exacerbated the issue even further by doing nothing in the draft or free agency on the offensive side of the ball and left Fields with a horrible OL, Mooney, and a couple of practice squad-caliber receivers. Also, trading two of your defensive captains in back to back weeks immediately after getting your best win of the season couldn't have come at a worse time. Letting Quinn go was the right move, but I vehemently opposed trading Roquan.
Smith wasn't coming back. I strongly feel like he didn't want to be here so trading him was the best option. For better or worse, Poles hired and 4-3 HC and Smith is not the best fit at LB in that situation. I honestly thought if you kept him, he would have better of shedding 10-15 pounds and going to Strong Safety of something like that, kind of the reverse Urlacher situation. Just not big enough to play in a 4-3 setup. In the end Bears did what was best for Smith, but they fucked themselves over, Bringing in a guy who was less talented for almost the same amount of money. But you overpay in FA.
 

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Yeah? Who is better than Johnson? You're so desperate to defend this shit show of a team and you're going after the only guy holding anyone accountable.

Why are you trying to defend anything and not realizing that Johnson is the only one holding anyone to a standard.

I didnt defend anyone. I said JJ should practice what he preaches.
 

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It absolutely was the right move and it was something that’s been long overdue. The issue with the rebuild is they don’t have the right guys to build. The GM fkn sucks and his coaches are even worse.

The goal of any rebuild is to shed bad contracts and acquire high draft picks to give yourself a championship window with a young roster. The first part is very easy, the second is easy but you also neee some lucky breaks and the bears got all of them/. Getting two #1 overall picks is nothing short of a miracle.

Unfortunately the GM can’t draft and in the rebuild process set multiple picks on fire. The 32nd pick for a WR who I don’t even think has played in a game this season. Velus Jones, that small WR in the 4th round who’s name I forgot because he’s not done anything in two years.

It was the right choice but with bad execution. Even getting the gift of the “generational” qb and poles still can’t cook.
 

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It absolutely was the right move and it was something that’s been long overdue. The issue with the rebuild is they don’t have the right guys to build. The GM fkn sucks and his coaches are even worse.

The goal of any rebuild is to shed bad contracts and acquire high draft picks to give yourself a championship window with a young roster. The first part is very easy, the second is easy but you also neee some lucky breaks and the bears got all of them/. Getting two #1 overall picks is nothing short of a miracle.

Unfortunately the GM can’t draft and in the rebuild process set multiple picks on fire. The 32nd pick for a WR who I don’t even think has played in a game this season. Velus Jones, that small WR in the 4th round who’s name I forgot because he’s not done anything in two years.

It was the right choice but with bad execution. Even getting the gift of the “generational” qb and poles still can’t cook.
Never has a GM been given so much to come away with so little.
 

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The rebuild has been what has failed, dumpster diving in the trenches hasn't worked in recent memory for the Bears(sans Hicks).

They just need to do the scouting and use the capital on that
 

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Looking at the sorry state of the Bears 3 years into Poles' tenure, I'm wondering if the teardown of 2022 was really necessary. Especially considering how ineffective Poles has been in replacing players.

Even with their short comings, I thought that Mack still had gas in the tank and that Roquan was still someone you could build a defense around. Mack was a huge cap hit, and it made sense to lose the contract and gain draft capital. However, he never drafted a premium pass rusher and instead spent a 2nd round pick on Sweat and signed him to a 90 mil deal only for him to perform worse than Mack. Roquan isn't perfect, but he's more effective than Edmunds for around the same price and was a locker room leader for the Bears. Quinn was long in the tooth and expensive, so I could see why he'd be traded, but he may have had another season or two of effectiveness after a record breaking season.

Poles also failed to resign Mooney, Monty, and Daniels. At the time it made sense to let them find greener pastures. But looking back Keenan Allen isn't any better than Mooney for the cost of a 4th and probably a more expensive contract to extend him. Mooney was definitely more effective than Claypool and didn't cost a 2nd. Poles still hasn't found a G as good as Daniels, and Daniels wasn't a world beater. Swift doesn't run well between the tackles and can't overcome a bad line any better than Monty. He does have better big play ability though.

We can see that the 3 years of rebuilding has taken a toll on the locker room. You can see how demoralized they were in 2022, energized a little in 2023, and how it's all fallen apart in 2024.

In retrospect, it looks like Poles was eager to recreate the Bears in his image, but he just wasn't experienced or knowledgeable to do it effectively. Instead of keeping leaders of the locker room and building around them, he wanted new pieces to build around. Maybe the Bears needed a tear down and rebuild, but Poles wasn't the guy to do it. We're just as bad or worse than when Poles took the job.
That's a fair take. It's hard to say.

Poles' teardown was the deepest I've ever seen.

Both Roquan and Mack were producing a full tick below what they were being paid, so... it's hard to fix that without moving on. As I recall, Roquan wanted more $ than he was producing. In Mack's case, I think it would have been worth (early on) getting him some help, ie another good passrusher. Mack was mostly neutralized with double-teams.

With a mess of other older vets, it was probably wise to move on. Poles was trying to build through the draft.

On a pointless side note... Roquan was an elite blitzer. I would have blitzed him a lot more.

But at any rate, in my opinion, besides some obvious mistakes, on the whole I like Poles' rebuild. I think the Bears have a good team that was (is) held back by incompetent coaching.
 

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