Is ADHD a Fictional Disease?

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Are the diseases real? Yep.



Are there kids that have them and need help with it? Yep.



Do parents try to get doctors to misdiagnose their otherwise-normal kids with them so they can drug them up rather than do their fucking job as a parent? Yep.
 

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Agreed with the above statement. I know someone with the disease and he's a grown man.
 

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I am no expert but the recent acknowledgement of PTSD could lead you to believe that the brain becomes altered based on 'emotionally scarring' events. I just don't think an infant could be so scarred by something like public breast feeding. Watching his argument is like watching someone justify religion..."I can't totally prove that I'm right, but you try and prove me totally wrong then!"

I can totally seem where it could happen, but to me PTSD is different in that it is a cognizant interaction with excruciating emotional ties to reality. Something they are actively involved and participating in, and are aware of the potential trauma involved. Where a baby, would not be aware that the situation it is in could be trauma inducing, or even know that it is participating in any such activity, then on top of it to not even be able to remember it? It's just confusing to me, but there are grey areas everywhere I guess.



Families with autistic children tend to be easy targets for quackery because of the emotional impact of the the disorder. Unfortunately, there is no shortage of unethical physicians and/or scam artists driven by greed, willing to take advantage of these families.



As far as trauma and brain function there no doubt that mild traumatic brain injury (concussion) alters function both acutely and cumulatively with boat loasds of scientific studies and evidence to support it. But circumcison? That dolt is thinking with the wrong head.



I have no doubt that actual concussion type physical trauma alters functions. It's the idea that metal trauma can so severely alter a child from environmental forces, or which they are not even aware of is kinda out there to me. How can breast feeding a child in public harm a child when that child has no concept of it being wrong? Same goes for a kid on a barstool (which I can only assume means that they are in a bar or grown up situation?). I think a kid having a weird name like Vasoline can indeed have long term effects on a child, but I don't think it can be link to mental trauma in the same effect as a concussion? Unless of course he gets beat up one day for it.



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I can totally seem where it could happen, but to me PTSD is different in that it is a cognizant interaction with excruciating emotional ties to reality. Something they are actively involved and participating in, and are aware of the potential trauma involved. Where a baby, would not be aware that the situation it is in could be trauma inducing, or even know that it is participating in any such activity, then on top of it to not even be able to remember it? It's just confusing to me, but there are grey areas everywhere I guess.







I have no doubt that actual concussion type physical trauma alters functions. It's the idea that metal trauma can so severely alter a child from environmental forces, or which they are not even aware of is kinda out there to me. How can breast feeding a child in public harm a child when that child has no concept of it being wrong? Same goes for a kid on a barstool (which I can only assume means that they are in a bar or grown up situation?). I think a kid having a weird name like Vasoline can indeed have long term effects on a child, but I don't think it can be link to mental trauma in the same effect as a concussion? Unless of course he gets beat up one day for it.



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I personally think it is, or at least way over diagnosed, because theres no good way to determine if a kid has it. my mom gave me an article about it that listed off the symptoms for ADD, and we both realized we had ALL of them. The following describes me to a fucking tee, and I manage to function in society without feeling like i am handicapped in some way. so apparently because I am cluttery and unorganized, and find shit that isnt interesting to me fucking boring as shit and dont pay attention i have ADHD. **** this crap. i especially like this part, primarily the bolded, but the others apply as well:



have poor self-control

blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking

have addictive tendencies

act recklessly or spontaneously without regard for consequences

have trouble behaving in socially appropriate ways (such as sitting still during a long meeting)




and here I thought the above was just part of my winning personality, IM SICK I TELLS YA! GIVE ME PILLS!







Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Trouble concentrating and staying focused

Adults with ADD/ADHD often have difficulty staying focused and attending to daily, mundane tasks. For example, you may be easily distracted by irrelevant sights and sounds, quickly bounce from one activity to another, or become bored quickly. Symptoms in this category are sometimes overlooked because they are less outwardly disruptive than the ADD/ADHD symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsivity—but they can be every bit as troublesome. The symptoms of inattention and concentration difficulties include:



“zoning out” without realizing it, even in the middle of a conversation.

extreme distractibility; wandering attention makes it hard to stay on track.

difficulty paying attention or focusing, such as when reading or listening to others.

struggling to complete tasks, even ones that seem simple.

tendency to overlook details, leading to errors or incomplete work.

poor listening skills; hard time remembering conversations and following directions.

Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Hyperfocus

While you’re probably aware that people with ADD/ADHD have trouble focusing on tasks that aren’t interesting to them, you may not know that there’s another side: a tendency to become absorbed in tasks that are stimulating and rewarding. This paradoxical symptom is called hyperfocus.



Hyperfocus is actually a coping mechanism for distraction—a way of tuning out the chaos. It can be so strong that you become oblivious to everything going on around you. For example, you may be so engrossed in a book, a TV show, or your computer that you completely lose track of time and neglect the things you’re supposed to be doing. Hyperfocus can be an asset when channeled into productive activities, but it can also lead to work and relationship problems if left unchecked.



Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Disorganization and forgetfulness

When you have adult ADD/ADHD, life often seems chaotic and out of control. Staying organized and on top of things can be extremely challenging—as is sorting out what information is relevant for the task at hand, prioritizing the things you need to do, keeping track of tasks and responsibilities, and managing your time. Common symptoms of disorganization and forgetfulness include:



poor organizational skills (home, office, desk, or car is extremely messy and cluttered)

tendency to procrastinate

trouble starting and finishing projects

chronic lateness

frequently forgetting appointments, commitments, and deadlines

constantly losing or misplacing things (keys, wallet, phone, documents, bills)

underestimating the time it will take you to complete tasks

Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Impulsivity

If you suffer from symptoms in this category, you may have trouble inhibiting your behaviors, comments, and responses. You might act before thinking, or react without considering consequences. You may find yourself interrupting others, blurting out comments, and rushing through tasks without reading instructions. If you have impulse problems, being patient is extremely difficult. For better or for worse, you may go headlong into situations and find yourself in potentially risky circumstances. You may struggle with controlling impulses if you:



frequently interrupt others or talk over them

have poor self-control

blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking

have addictive tendencies

act recklessly or spontaneously without regard for consequences

have trouble behaving in socially appropriate ways (such as sitting still during a long meeting)

Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Emotional difficulties

Many adults with ADD/ADHD have a hard time managing their feelings, especially when it comes to emotions like anger or frustration. Common emotional symptoms of adult ADD/ADHD include:



sense of underachievement

doesn’t deal well with frustration

easily flustered and stressed out

irritability or mood swings

trouble staying motivated

hypersensitivity to criticism

short, often explosive, temper

low self-esteem and sense of insecurity



Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Hyperactivity or restlessness

Hyperactivity in adults with ADD/ADHD can look the same as it does in kids. You may be highly energetic and perpetually “on the go” as if driven by a motor. For many people with ADD/ADHD, however, the symptoms of hyperactivity become more subtle and internal as they grow older. Common symptoms of hyperactivity in adults include:



feelings of inner restlessness, agitation

tendency to take risks

getting bored easily

racing thoughts

trouble sitting still; constant fidgeting

craving for excitement

talking excessively

doing a million things at once







Addictive tendencies toward substances or behavior (like video games or exercise or what not)?
 

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I did hear that the vaccine for whooping cough is causing more asthma. The whooping cough clears out the lungs and makes it virtually impossible for asthma to take hold.



Or did I hear wrong?
 

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The South Park episode about it is on. Timmy And The Lords Of The Underworld are much better than Reach For The Skyler.
 

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I disagree with everything in this thrLET'S RIDE BIKES
 

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U.S. Rates of Autism, ADHD Continue to Rise: Report



Study finds 1 in 6 kids now have a developmental disability, perhaps due to better diagnosis



http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2011/05/23/us-rates-of-autism-adhd-continue-to-rise-report



we also have to take into account not only are there more diagnosis, but in general, wider definitions for these disabilities. Peoples inability to understand this never ceases to amaze me.



like that dumbass on the penn and teller episode who said "people didnt have cancer before the 40's when they started vaccines".



They didnt know what the **** cancer was, they didnt know what the **** heart disease was, eventually through scientific advancement they gave a name to diseases that plagued the human race since it began. Contrary to popular belief, medicine has advanced by light years from 1900 to now. put it this way, ancient Roman surgeons and medicine was more advanced than mid 19th century america.
 

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I think 1 in 6 is getting a little excessive.
 

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I think 1 in 6 is getting a little excessive.



People with Aspergers (high functioning autistcs) were not diagnosed as such until recently and are fully capable of living normal lives. Why must we invent a boogey man with no scientific evidence.



Secondly as mentioned before, alot of these disabilities have no "blood test" or the like that tells you whether you have something or not, so it is subject to the individual professional diagnosing the problem (if we are lumping learning disabilities in here too) i.e. as I mentioned before, I suffer from 95% of the adult ADD symptoms, yet I dont have a problem performing at work and ultimately getting shit done in my day to day life. So do people like me have a disease or is this simply the way we are genetically and it isnt a disease at all. I can guarantee you if I went to see a doctor tomorrow, listed this shit off to him, he would diagnose me as such, because these symptoms are the only thing they have to go on.





Autism didnt have a name until 1938, and then still you have to give it time to get diagnosed properly, the more we know the more shit we catch. Also, when you expand the definition of a disease or disability to include more people how the hell can you not expect that number to skyrocket.



As I mentioned before I dont think ADD is a myth, I think they seriously need to refine what constitutes it, because it has got to be way over diagnosed, because according to most to every list of symptoms ive seen I should count myself among their ranks but am a productive member of society just the same without dosing myself with pills.
 

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People with Aspergers (high functioning autistcs) were not diagnosed as such until recently and are fully capable of living normal lives. Why must we invent a boogey man with no scientific evidence.



Secondly as mentioned before, alot of these disabilities have no "blood test" or the like that tells you whether you have something or not, so it is subject to the individual professional diagnosing the problem (if we are lumping learning disabilities in here too) i.e. as I mentioned before, I suffer from 95% of the adult ADD symptoms, yet I dont have a problem performing at work and ultimately getting shit done in my day to day life. So do people like me have a disease or is this simply the way we are genetically and it isnt a disease at all. I can guarantee you if I went to see a doctor tomorrow, listed this shit off to him, he would diagnose me as such, because these symptoms are the only thing they have to go on.





Autism didnt have a name until 1938, and then still you have to give it time to get diagnosed properly, the more we know the more shit we catch. Also, when you expand the definition of a disease or disability to include more people how the hell can you not expect that number to skyrocket.



As I mentioned before I dont think ADD is a myth, I think they seriously need to refine what constitutes it, because it has got to be way over diagnosed, because according to most to every list of symptoms ive seen I should count myself among their ranks but am a productive member of society just the same without dosing myself with pills.



Great post, and here's exhibit A: Chronic Shift work sleep disorder



Come the **** on now. Who works unusual and varying shifts without having any sleep issues.

Is this really a "disease" ?
 

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Great post, and here's exhibit A: Chronic Shift work sleep disorder



Come the **** on now. Who works unusual and varying shifts without having any sleep issues.

Is this really a "disease" ?



It's to easy to blame it all on the medical/pharmaceutical community/industry.



There is no ashortage of people demanding pills. Try having this conversation multiple times per week; "This isn't a disease, you need a job with bankers hours, not sleeping pills.".



Our soceity doesn't want winners and losers any more. Everyone gets a trophy/reward just for participating. If they don't make the grade then they want an excuse for why they are ____________(fill in the blank(s)), so they won't get fired/divorced/put in jail/ put on jury duty or have to walk more than fifty feet to get from their car to the motorized cart at Walmart.
 

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Couple that, Wino, with the fact that many parents are very overprotective of their kids and don't want them to go too far off to play without supervision. Further, keeping them cooped up in a classroom or an apartment makes them burn their excess energies there, and run amok. A lot of parents nowadays treat their kids like cult objects rather than the people they are and can't be arsed to raise them because they're too busy watching some drivel like The Voice, and you have a lot of parents trying to get some mircale pill to correct kids' normal behaviour.
 

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I was an ADHD kid. I am an ADHD adult. I take the drugs daily and see a head shrinker doc every 3 months. I was diagnosed as a kid and it is not something that goes away with age.



I also feel it is over-diagnosed.



There are some inaccuracies in the article however. This doctor says if a kid is fidgety and cant focus that it is the diagnosis and that is false. At least with a good Dr., there are many tests that are performed. Also, amphetamines havent been given as medication for this since the 70's. The medications used now is not habit forming or dangerous. There is not one Head Dr worth a shit who would give a child Adderall.



People think that ADHD is basically a lack of ability to focus. This is not the case and where I think it is misdiagnosed, underplayed, over-medicated. ADHD in many ways has similarities to OCD and other similar Head Case issues. It is in the way the brain works and processes information, manifesting many times in social behavior, causing huge frustration for the kid as well as the parents since it is difficult for those without to understand and kids dont have the knowledge to explain it from their perspective.



The doctor does have a point where he states that it is a behavior, in that as a kid/young adult I had to develop tools and tricks to assist with it and behavior modifications go hand in hand with the drugs. My parents (my mother as a teacher of physically and mentality handicapped for 25 years) were also very active in process. But to insinuate that fixing the behavior with good parenting is the way to "fix" it is woefully short-sighted.
 

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I was an ADHD kid. I am an ADHD adult. I take the drugs daily and see a head shrinker doc every 3 months. I was diagnosed as a kid and it is not something that goes away with age.



I also feel it is over-diagnosed.



There are some inaccuracies in the article however. This doctor says if a kid is fidgety and cant focus that it is the diagnosis and that is false. At least with a good Dr., there are many tests that are performed. Also, amphetamines havent been given as medication for this since the 70's. The medications used now is not habit forming or dangerous. There is not one Head Dr worth a shit who would give a child Adderall.



People think that ADHD is basically a lack of ability to focus. This is not the case and where I think it is misdiagnosed, underplayed, over-medicated. ADHD in many ways has similarities to OCD and other similar Head Case issues. It is in the way the brain works and processes information, manifesting many times in social behavior, causing huge frustration for the kid as well as the parents since it is difficult for those without to understand and kids dont have the knowledge to explain it from their perspective.



The doctor does have a point where he states that it is a behavior, in that as a kid/young adult I had to develop tools and tricks to assist with it and behavior modifications go hand in hand with the drugs. My parents (my mother as a teacher of physically and mentality handicapped for 25 years) were also very active in process. But to insinuate that fixing the behavior with good parenting is the way to "fix" it is woefully short-sighted.



Your parents still should have backhanded you more
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Lord, I am thinking you don't have kids.



TSD, as you feel you have all the symptoms, yet do not suffer adversly. You obviously would not be diagnosed with ADD as by your admission are unaffected by it.



Look at those syptoms again and think about the scales of things. Have "some" lack of focus(possibly in your case),is much different from a "great" lack of focus. It is all relative my friend. My daughter suffers absolutely from this. Not only is schoolwork dificult she also has to carry the social stigma and the burden of the ignorance of others.



That is a lot for a little girl to deal with.
 

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