Is Mitch already better than Jay Cutler?

[me654]

Josh McCown seemed to be put into a good situation...Marshall, Jeffery, Forte, Bennett.

you talking about the same guy bear fans called McClown just the year prior? lol ok

 

[me654]

What on earth are you talking about?

So the Qb controls everything? essentially OC's and offensive scheme is of no importance? IS that what youre talking about?

Pretty sure i was quite clear

 

[Rory Sparrow]

So the Qb controls everything? essentially OC's and offensive scheme is of no importance? IS that what youre talking about?

That was the case with Cutler. It didn't matter who the coordinator was, it didn't matter who the surrounding cast was...Cutler would always Cutler.

Not sure how "offensive scheme" plays into the Good Jay/Bad Jay discussion, but oh well.

 

[Monster]

There is a ways to go but looking promising. I was pretty pumped on most of the Bear QBs over the years... my homer classes are thick.

 

[me654]

That was the case with Cutler. It didn't matter who the coordinator was, it didn't matter who the surrounding cast was...Cutler would always Cutler.

Not sure how "offensive scheme" plays into the Good Jay/Bad Jay discussion, but oh well.

Well certainly not retread has been (recently fired) coaches like the Bears org always hired.

Point is this was nothing new with chicago. they knew absolutely nothing about Qb development. The Bears destroyed most of those careers obviously. No way a team just happens to go through near 40 busts. jay was on his way up in Denver under Shanny. My guess he would have been way more successful under someone who knew an offense.

Example: Lowgains/Fox now Nagy....the difference in just a few games is undeniable

BTW this isnt a defend Jay post....its more of an indictment on the organization and how they played the fans loyalty for years by hiring mediocre shit for a staff.

Seems the org finally woke up.

 

[Nelly]

Cutler never had Nagy calling plays for him. It was a carousel of decent-at-best guys. Not saying Cutler was great, just that he never had a cutting-edge kind of offensive mind behind him like Trubisky does.

Let's stop thinking Cutler was utter trash, and let's also let Trubisky have some time to develop and show what he can do. Cutler was an overall middle-of-the-road QB (disappointment for his physical talent) and Trubisky just finished his first 16 games as a starter while only entering game 5 in the new offense, so we can't make a determination on him once and for all yet. By the end of the year, we'll have a really good idea of what he'll be in the NFL going forward.

 

[modo]

Cutler never had Nagy calling plays for him. It was a carousel of decent-at-best guys. Not saying Cutler was great, just that he never had a cutting-edge kind of offensive mind behind him like Trubisky does.

Let's both stop thinking Cutler was utter trash, and let's also let Trubisky have some time to develop and show what he can do. Cutler was an overall middle-of-the-road QB and Trubisky just finished his first 16 games as a starter while only entering game 5 in the new offense, so we can't make a determination on him once and for all yet. By the end of the year, we'll have a really good idea of what he'll be in the NFL going forward.

It didn't matter who was calling plays for Cutler.....

He threw into double and triple coverage

He had zero ball security in the pocket

He consistently threw off the wrong foot even when he didn't need to


He relied on his arm which made him look good at times, but his brain kept him from getting better.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Cutler never had Nagy calling plays for him. It was a carousel of decent-at-best guys. Not saying Cutler was great, just that he never had a cutting-edge kind of offensive mind behind him like Trubisky does.

Remember when Trestman started 3-1?

 

[me654]

Remember when Trestman started 3-1?

lol trestman and Tucker

 

[me654]

Just trying to figure out where all those brilliant offensive minds Chicago had are and how many QB's they developed since leaving Chicago....

Turner, Martz, Tice, Trestman, Loggains...though Martz did adjust and got away from that 7 step, get your QB killed, drop Ill give him that.

 

[Nelly]

Remember when Trestman started 3-1?

Hard to call Trestman a cutting edge guy when he'd bounced around from job to job for the entirety of his career. He had his one good year then flamed out, and Cutler was decent that year as a result.

Right now, there's not a lot of argument that Sean McVay and Matt Nagy are two of the most highly touted young offensive-minded head coached in the NFL. Meanwhile, people were like "they hired him?" when Trestman was hired, especially over Bruce Arians who went to Arizona and turned them into a good offense with a somewhat washed up Carson Palmer at the helm.

 

[me654]

Hard to call Trestman a cutting edge guy when he'd bounced around from job to job for the entirety of his carrer. He had his one good year then flamed out, and Cutler was decent that year as a result.

And one of his best under Gase (one season). Id just like to have seen consistency at the scheme for much of his career to know really how it would have been. obviously all the successful QB's have/had this.

 

[Nelly]

It didn't matter who was calling plays for Cutler.....

He threw into double and triple coverage

He had zero ball security in the pocket

He consistently threw off the wrong foot even when he didn't need to


He relied on his arm which made him look good at times, but his brain kept him from getting better.

Not arguing with that. The result of that was a mediocre QB who didn't live up to his physical talent and potential.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Hard to call Trestman a cutting edge guy

Right now, there's not a lot of argument that Sean McVay and Matt Nagy are two of the most highly touted young offensive-minded head coached in the NFL.

Brilliant work.

 

[pseudonym]

Yes

 

[FirstTimer]

Well certainly not retread has been (recently fired) coaches like the Bears org always hired.

Point is this was nothing new with chicago. they knew absolutely nothing about Qb development. The Bears destroyed most of those careers obviously. No way a team just happens to go through near 40 busts. jay was on his way up in Denver under Shanny. .

Not really true, Cutler had kind of stagnated in Denver a bit. His 2008 was just buoyed by an alternative berth in the PB and throwing the ball 600+ times. His rate/efficiency numbers were actually slighty worse or basically the same as they were in 2007.

Cutler was always what he was. Blaming it on coaching and personnel is a cop out. Cutler was sometimes at his worst with the best personnel as a Bear. Cutler helped hire and fire the coaches. He'd run guys out of town, bring in his favorites, sign off on who the Bears wanted to bring in...and he still was just average.

 

[FirstTimer]

And one of his best under Gase (one season). Id just like to have seen consistency at the scheme for much of his career to know really how it would have been. obviously all the successful QB's have/had this.

This cuts both ways. Cutler never played well enough for coaches to stick around. Cutler also had a hand in running coaches out of town so he wasn't able to build consistency.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Imagine if Matt Forte had been able to play with a better QB, he might have put up LT/Faulk/Priest Holmes numbers.

 

[FirstTimer]

Imagine if Matt Forte had been able to play with a better QB, he might have put up LT/Faulk/Priest Holmes numbers.

It's rather odd in retrospect, you'd have people here trying to say Forte was a HOF back, Brandon Marshall was making 1st Team All Pro, and losing Alshon Jeffery was one of the worst FA decisions on Bears history but Cutler needed more weapons to succeed?

 

[HeHateMe]

Mitch gives excellent pressers and eats sacks better than Cutler ever did.

Cutler was more entertaining with pressers.