Is The Blackhawks Core About To Change

[Jntg4]

I'd rather not be saying "Want Bolland? Come get him!" as opposed to inquiring about elite defensemen and building a package around him.

 

[DewsSox79]

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[Capt. Serious]

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[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

I'd rather not be saying "Want Bolland? Come get him!" as opposed to inquiring about elite defensemen and building a package around him.

Elite d-men don't typically come up for trade.

 

[tbo41fan]

Elite d-men don't typically come up for trade.

:yep:

 

[DMelt36]

Love it. I suggest that shopping a player around is a stupid idea and instantly the word "untouchable" comes into play. Never said that.

Buff, you said that the Hawks have enough "pests," and I completely disagree. You've got 3 at the most. Carcillo, Bolland, and Shaw. That sounds like a damn good checking line for next season.

Saw a lot of Kruger's name being thrown around as a replacement for Bolland ... and I'd need to see him do something that would make me believe he'd be worth it. Kruger has ONE point in 11 career playoff games. One. Bolland's got 37 in 49 games, and he's a +12 while taking on some of the league's best lines every night. Why the **** would you be actively shopping (note the bolded part) one of your best postseason performers?

Makes no sense to me. If someone calls with an offer, sure, you listen. But having him on the block is a horrible idea, and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

Also, the mod changing this thread title because he disagrees with it is bullshit.

 

[nwfisch]

Love it. I suggest that shopping a player around is a stupid idea and instantly the word "untouchable" comes into play. Never said that.

Buff, you said that the Hawks have enough "pests," and I completely disagree. You've got 3 at the most. Carcillo, Bolland, and Shaw. That sounds like a damn good checking line for next season.

Saw a lot of Kruger's name being thrown around as a replacement for Bolland ... and I'd need to see him do something that would make me believe he'd be worth it. Kruger has ONE point in 11 career playoff games. One. Bolland's got 37 in 49 games, and he's a +12 while taking on some of the league's best lines every night. Why the **** would you be actively shopping (note the bolded part) one of your best postseason performers?

Makes no sense to me. If someone calls with an offer, sure, you listen. But having him on the block is a horrible idea, and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

Also, the mod changing this thread title because he disagrees with it is bullshit.

Maybe its just me, but I think Bolland is more the product of talented players around him instead of being the talent.

If Bolland can net a 2C and a 3/4 Dman, I think its a no-brainer for the Blackhawks.

Or else if Bolland can relief cap space for the Blackhawks to pursue free agent defensemen.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Just curious, since when is Davey Boy part of "the core".

 

[DMelt36]

Maybe its just me, but I think Bolland is more the product of talented players around him instead of being the talent.

Well, before 2010, I could believe that argument. In 08-09, he had Ladd and Havlat on his wings. The following year, it was Ladd and Vertseeg. Those 3 players are now skating top-6 minutes elsewhere. The last two years, though, he's had Bickell and Frolik with him, mainly, in the postseason, and his line has still been one of the team's best, if not the best. He's the consistent piece.

If Bolland can net a 2C and a 3/4 Dman, I think its a no-brainer for the Blackhawks.

Or else if Bolland can relief cap space for the Blackhawks to pursue free agent defensemen.

The best 3C of all-time wouldn't net both of those pieces--and probably not one of them. Even in a trade, you'd have to add pieces with Bolland to land a 2C or a top 3/4 Dman. That's why I don't think shopping him around is a good idea.

He's not going to land you a 2C by himself, but that doesn't diminish his importance to the team. His contract may be a bit high, but there are much, much worse deals out there than $3.375m for a guy that's always shown up in the postseason.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Buff, you said that the Hawks have enough "pests," and I completely disagree. You've got 3 at the most. Carcillo, Bolland, and Shaw. That sounds like a damn good checking line for next season.

Why the **** would you be actively shopping (note the bolded part) one of your best postseason performers?

Makes no sense to me. If someone calls with an offer, sure, you listen. But having him on the block is a horrible idea, and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

First off, relax.

Yes, they have enough pests. Small guys that irritate... I'd rather trade one towards a big forward.

Why would you actively be shopping Bolland? Because he could bring in someone that could make the team better. That's the only reason why.

What's the difference between shopping him and listening to offers? Does anyone here actually know what Stan is saying to other GMs? No. It's all just speculation. Take it easy man. You're coming off as being really upset over off season speculation. It's not the end of the world. It's just people talking about trade ideas because the team isn't playing anymore.

 

[DMelt36]

First off, relax.

Yes, they have enough pests. Small guys that irritate... I'd rather trade one towards a big forward.

Why would you actively be shopping Bolland? Because he could bring in someone that could make the team better. That's the only reason why.

What's the difference between shopping him and listening to offers? Does anyone here actually know what Stan is saying to other GMs? No. It's all just speculation. Take it easy man. You're coming off as being really upset over off season speculation. It's not the end of the world. It's just people talking about trade ideas because the team isn't playing anymore.

I'LL CALM DOWN WHEN I'M READY TO CALM DOWN, DAMMIT. I'm not mad at all. I just enjoy using the f-bomb a lot. More flabbergasted, than anything else.

The difference is, when you're shopping a player, it says two things, imo:

1) We'll be fine without this player
2) We have someone to replace him

I don't think Bolland is getting moved because has an incredible value, or anything like that. Not many 3Cs do. But shopping him tells me that someone in the Hawks' front office thinks that moving Bolland could make this team better, and I don't believe them.

That's because a 3C, no matter how good he is, is not going to bring you a 2C or a top-4 Dman by himself. That's just not reasonable. There's going to have to be other pieces in this trade to make it happen.

And, in full disclosure, it would be the end of the world for me because Bolland is absolutely my favorite Hawk and I really, really, really do not want to buy another Hawks' sweater after getting one of his recently. I'm sure a few here will now refer to me as a Bolland fanboy. That's fine. Doesn't change anything I said in the above paragraphs.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

But shopping him tells me that someone in the Hawks' front office thinks that moving Bolland could make this team better, and I don't believe them.

I think it has the potential to. That's all.

 

[southern_cross_116]

You know I was wondering that one myself --how on earth a 3rd line centreiceman brings a 2nd line centreiceman in a trade ... let alone a 2nd line C along with a 3rd or 4th defenceman...

I don't even think you could swing a trade like that on 'Easy' in EA NHL (pick a season) for the PC.... but good luck with it.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

You know I was wondering that one myself --how on earth a 3rd line centreiceman brings a 2nd line centreiceman in a trade ... let alone a 2nd line C along with a 3rd or 4th defenceman...

I don't even think you could swing a trade like that on 'Easy' in EA NHL (pick a season) for the PC.... but good luck with it.

I don't wonder about it because he probably doesn't.

But moving him could very well bring the cap relief needed to pay a top defender or forward.

 

[DMelt36]

I don't wonder about it because he probably doesn't.

But moving him could very well bring the cap relief needed to pay a top defender or forward.

If it's cap relief you want, then I guess it comes down to two players: Bolland and Hjalmarsson. Each with cap hits over $3 million.

And, I think if you're going to move one of those players, you do it to upgrade that same position. Trade Bolland for a 2C, or Hjalmarsson for another D. Making that move across the defense/offense corps would leave too big of a hole, I believe.

 

[DMelt36]

I think it has the potential to. That's all.

Fair enough.

I'm just not a fan of seeing guys who (I believe) are that important to the team's success being shopped around.

 

[DewsSox79]

I'LL CALM DOWN WHEN I'M READY TO CALM DOWN, DAMMIT. I'm not mad at all. I just enjoy using the f-bomb a lot. More flabbergasted, than anything else.

The difference is, when you're shopping a player, it says two things, imo:

1) We'll be fine without this player
2) We have someone to replace him

I don't think Bolland is getting moved because has an incredible value, or anything like that. Not many 3Cs do. But shopping him tells me that someone in the Hawks' front office thinks that moving Bolland could make this team better, and I don't believe them.

That's because a 3C, no matter how good he is, is not going to bring you a 2C or a top-4 Dman by himself. That's just not reasonable. There's going to have to be other pieces in this trade to make it happen.

And, in full disclosure, it would be the end of the world for me because Bolland is absolutely my favorite Hawk and I really, really, really do not want to buy another Hawks' sweater after getting one of his recently. I'm sure a few here will now refer to me as a Bolland fanboy. That's fine. Doesn't change anything I said in the above paragraphs.

of course he isnt going to net you a 2c or a top 4 dman. and no there doesnt have to be "other pieces" in the trade. he can be traded for a pick or a spect and it still doesnt mean the hawks will not obtain a top 4 dman or a 2nd line center. ever hear of trading with other teams? like picks and spects for one of those positions? ever hear the FA season? ya know where the players are UFAs and can go anywhere?

bolland can go.

I know I know he has fire and passion and gets under the canucks skin and stuffz.

 

[DMelt36]

 

[nwfisch]

I'm thinking about Troy Brouwer netting a first round pick, what would Bolland net?

 

[Popinski Soda]

of course he isnt going to net you a 2c or a top 4 dman. and no there doesnt have to be "other pieces" in the trade. he can be traded for a pick or a spect and it still doesnt mean the hawks will not obtain a top 4 dman or a 2nd line center. ever hear of trading with other teams? like picks and spects for one of those positions? ever hear the FA season? ya know where the players are UFAs and can go anywhere?

bolland can go.

I know I know he has fire and passion and gets under the canucks skin and stuffz.

Wait, you can do that?